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You know as well as I do that is not true.

Before you are baptized and confirmed you don’t necessarily have him with you always, but that doesn’t mean he can’t drop in on you once in a while.

You know as well as I do that is not biblcal.

NIV John 14:16-19
16. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever--
17. the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
18. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

KJV John 14:16-18
16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17. Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

You'll note that there were NO 'condititions' given that would required for this!

John 14

1. "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God ; trust also in me.
2. In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
3. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
4. You know the way to the place where I am going."
5. Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
6. Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
7. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
8. Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
9. Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father'?
10. Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
11. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.
12. I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
13. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father.
14. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
15. "If you love me, you will obey what I command.

“You know as well as I do that is not biblcal.”

That is one of the differences between Mormons and everyone else. We know that the Bible does not tell all we need. How many different references to the Holy Ghost are there, that you did not quote? Dozens, hundreds? Just in the Bible alone?

Here’s one that seems to me to indicate that the Holy Ghost witnessed to Peter that what the Lord was saying to him was true. Before he became an apostle.

Acts 11: 15-16 15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

This one doesn’t mention the Holy Ghost specifically, but this is the one my step-father, the Baptist minister, told me to use, and it is also the one cite by Joseph Smith, which led to his vision and everything else that Mormons believe.

James 1: 5
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

I’ll also add this one, although it doesn’t mention the Holy Ghost, either, as my step-father also told me that the Mormons couldn’t be right because there is nothing in the Bible that mentions baptism for the dead.

1 Cor. 15: 29

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized• for• the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

I know it is true. So is the Book of Mormon. I’m going to ask you to reread this that you posted, and think about it.

John 14

1. “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God ; trust also in me.
2. In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
3. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
4. You know the way to the place where I am going.”
5. Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”
6. Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
7. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
8. Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
9. Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father’?
10. Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
11. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.
12. I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
13. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father.
14. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
15. “If you love me, you will obey what I command.