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Posted on 07/26/2007 5:03:33 PM PDT by tantiboh
Democratic political consultant Mark Mellman has a very good piece up today at The Hill on the baffling and illegitimate opposition among voters to Mitt Romney due to his religion. I liked his closing paragraphs:
In July of 1958, 24 percent of respondents told Gallup they would not vote for a Catholic for president, almost identical to Gallup’s reading on Mormons today. Two years later, John F. Kennedy became the first Catholic to assume the oath of office. Within eight months, the number refusing to vote for a Catholic was cut almost in half.
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Mellman also discusses an interesting poll he helped construct, in which the pollsters asked half of their respondents whether they would support a candidate with certain characteristics, and asked the other half about another candidate with the exact same characteristics, with one difference. The first candidate was Baptist, the second candidate was Mormon. The Baptist had a huge advantage over the Mormon candidate, by about 20 points.
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However, more recent polls have attempted to fix the anonymity problem. A recent Time Magazine poll (read the original report here), for example, got to the heart of the question by asking respondents if they are less likely to vote for Mitt Romney specifically because he is a Mormon. The result is not as bad as some reporting on the poll has suggested. For example, while 30% of Republicans say they are less likely to vote for Romney because of his religion, fully 15% of other Republicans say that characteristic makes them more likely to vote for him. And while many have reported the finding that 23% of Republicans are “worried” by Romney’s Mormonism, the more important (but less-reported) number is that 73% say they hold no such reservations...
(Excerpt) Read more at romneyexperience.com ...
Just continue to be your normal, graceful selves that the RM seems to admire so much.
Helps to read it!
Acts 4:32-37, 5:1-11
32. All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had.
33. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all.
34. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales
35. and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.
36. Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement),
37. sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles' feet.
1. Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property.
2. With his wife's full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles' feet.
3. Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
4. Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."
5. When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened.
6. Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.
7. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened.
8. Peter asked her, "Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?" "Yes," she said, "that is the price."
9. Peter said to her, "How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also."
10. At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband.
11. Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.
They were COMMANDED to do nothing with their property - it was theirs to do with as they pleased.
They were trying to give the impression that they were doing the same as the others: giving all, while not actually doing so.
No fair!!
I only got dialup!!
These would take FOREVER for me to hear!
Kinda like your organization treated BLACKS until, viola!, a revelation occured.
It shows that little is sacred to them exept what they eat, what they wear, and what they do in secret.”
I understand that you had a bad time in the Church, but why do you assume everyone caused your bad time? I had a bad time with some Baptists, and eventually wound up becoming a Mormon, but I do not assume all Baptists are scum just because I know for a fact some of them are. We are all human. Some humans are scum.
Abraham Lincoln was so focused on what he was doing that he refused help to the Mormons when they were clearly having their civil rights violated. He probably could not have helped them, but it didn’t sit well with people who thought better of the government, and found themselves left dangling. I’ve only been a Mormon for closing on 12 years, but I’ve been a history buff for much longer.
Do not let your bitterness over your treatment by some people blind you to the good in others. I’d have given the Mormon elders who felt that way about Lincoln the same advice, btw.
UH... what 'reasons'?
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself adelivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I bsaw two cPersonages, whose brightness and dglory defy all description, estanding above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My fBeloved gSon. Hear Him!18 My object in going to ainquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those bprofessors were all ccorrupt; that: “they ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the gpower thereof.”20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself alying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, bmother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
MEGO
I certainly don't hate all Mormons. I'll say it again. My husband, mom, brother, father-in-law, mother-in-law, inlaws, cousins, nieces and nephews are all Mormon. Your warning " Do not let your bitterness over your treatment by some people blind you to the good in others." seems a bit short-sighted since I am involved with and love all those people. It is only the pompous, self-righteous, and "lying for the Lord" type of Mormons that make me bitter. Some of those type are my fellow freepers.
“You choose Mormonism. You failed the ultimate test.”
So who died and appointed you Jesus? None of us will KNOW if we failed that ultimate test until HE tells us. If I chose wrong, so be it. I chose based on what the Holy Ghost told me was true.
Who told you before you were baptized and confirmed? It couldn’t have been the Holy Ghost because you didn’t recieve him until you were confirmed.
He DID!!
Wow!
(Perhaps it was the right thickness to place under a teetery table leg.)
We've alREADY paid!
Many times over!
Why should we believe it?
More to the point, why should we even bother to read spam after the first hundreds of words? Especially when it's some kind of "faith-promoting-rumor". We get hit daily with accusations of "doubtful sources" but are supposed to be taken in by these articles? I think not.
What you said.
I would take President Romney a Morman over that real idiot President Carter who was evangelical anyday. I as a Catholic was not thrilled with President Kennedy but he was far less embarassing that the worst President in the Nation Evangelical Jimmy Carter!
Which HE are you talking about?
"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are" (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 289).
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