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Posted on 07/26/2007 5:03:33 PM PDT by tantiboh
Democratic political consultant Mark Mellman has a very good piece up today at The Hill on the baffling and illegitimate opposition among voters to Mitt Romney due to his religion. I liked his closing paragraphs:
In July of 1958, 24 percent of respondents told Gallup they would not vote for a Catholic for president, almost identical to Gallups reading on Mormons today. Two years later, John F. Kennedy became the first Catholic to assume the oath of office. Within eight months, the number refusing to vote for a Catholic was cut almost in half.
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Mellman also discusses an interesting poll he helped construct, in which the pollsters asked half of their respondents whether they would support a candidate with certain characteristics, and asked the other half about another candidate with the exact same characteristics, with one difference. The first candidate was Baptist, the second candidate was Mormon. The Baptist had a huge advantage over the Mormon candidate, by about 20 points.
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However, more recent polls have attempted to fix the anonymity problem. A recent Time Magazine poll (read the original report here), for example, got to the heart of the question by asking respondents if they are less likely to vote for Mitt Romney specifically because he is a Mormon. The result is not as bad as some reporting on the poll has suggested. For example, while 30% of Republicans say they are less likely to vote for Romney because of his religion, fully 15% of other Republicans say that characteristic makes them more likely to vote for him. And while many have reported the finding that 23% of Republicans are worried by Romneys Mormonism, the more important (but less-reported) number is that 73% say they hold no such reservations...
(Excerpt) Read more at romneyexperience.com ...
Dan Quayle is from my state; and you’re NO Dan Quayle!
Actually sandude, I’ve shaken the dust from my feet with you guys.
I’m speaking to those who contend that Mormonism is a Christian religion.
What? What did I miss now???
Elsie did you see it? Posts 1040, 1042, 1043, 1044
“But you guys have the only TRUE Church. You guys have the fullness of the gospel. The rest of us, well AFAIC have an excuse, we don’t know any better, we are sinners.”
Yep. Of course, since we’re only human, we’re only human. Harry Reid is possibly a good example of a horrible (IMHO) example of a Mormon. I’m not sure how he can look at himself in a mirror in the morning, not to mention show up at church...
Do not try to tell me you don’t have that sort of people in whatever church you belong to. Like Chicken Man, they’re everywhere.
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Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.
No threats, no insults, no reading minds, no attributing motives.
Yep, we’re all sinners. But like I said - - you guys profess to be so much more. You even have a modern day prophet to guide you to more truth. How come you’re not better off?
Yep, we’re all sinners. But like I said - - you guys profess to be so much more. You even have a modern day prophet to guide you to more truth. How come you’re not better off?
So that's how I keep getting told what I know, and don't know.
: )
How about asking that of Jesus, who was there with the apostles, who frequently misunderstood him, and did things they shouldn’t have done. He even told them some of the things they would do: Three time shalt thou deny me...
Why would you expect fallible humans to do any better with a prophet now than Israel did back in the day. And actually, we do better, as we at least try to listen to them, and don’t kill them, unlike the people of Israel. Of course, that has happened here in the US, but it wasn’t us doing it.
For that matter, you’re professing to have so much more than we do. Why try to rile people? What does it win you? Love thy neighbor, as thyself. Turn the other cheek (not just once, either.) Aren’t these commandments we’ve received? I know they’re in the Bible I have. Not just the one I got from the Mormon church, either, but in the one I got when I attended the Baptist church. What are you doing with what you have? Besides trying to tear down what we think we have, I mean? Is that how Jesus would want you to behave? I don’t think so, but I can’t really answer that question for you. That will be between you and Him.
Elsie, I apologize to you for doing a play on words about the old tongue twister pick a peck pickles peppers!
Again with the reprimands. Lay off it okay? I’m not going to play nice, and you telling me that I;m turning pople off doesn’t have any bearing, it’s just your opinion.
I will attack heresies head on, I will not quit. I will be as polite as I deem necessary and what the Spirit reveals to me. I will not listen to someone who follows a 97 year old “prophet” who has never had a prophesy, and I will not follow you.
I will attack heresies head on, I will not quit. I will be as polite as I deem necessary and what the Spirit reveals to me. I will not listen to someone who follows a 97 year old prophet who has never had a prophesy, and I will not follow you.”
In which case, you may as well stop posting to me, and I will certainly stop posting to you. I will say to you, just this one time, that you do not get to be the determiner of who is committing heresy. I don’t get to, either. Have a great day.
Is that how Jesus would want you to behave? I dont think so,
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The Lord commanded Us To Love One Another By This men Shall Know Ye Are My Disciples!
I’m sorry mod, I didn’t see how answering a charge from Old Student was “making it personal.” In fact I don’t see anything personal at all in my post except his reprimand of me, and his attribution of motives to me.
But I will abide by your ruling.
Thanks for playing, do come again.
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