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To: P-Marlowe

Now we are back to the idea that God has created a bunch of robots. If that is so, then why fight it? Why strive and struggle?

I can simply do as I want. If He wants me in Heaven (Biblical evidence), then I’ll get there and if he wants me in hell (no Biblical evidence) then I’ll go there as well. If nothing that my conscious mind can do to get me to heaven, then why do the right thing? If I’m predetermined to go to heaven and there’s nothing I can do about it, then what stops me from going out raping and killing when the whim strikes me?


2,632 posted on 08/17/2007 5:49:01 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr
If I’m predetermined to go to heaven and there’s nothing I can do about it, then what stops me from going out raping and killing when the whim strikes me?

If you follow every fleshly whim, then obviously you were NOT predestined to go to heaven.

Godly discipline and good works and wanting to serve the Lord is evidence of our election.

2,633 posted on 08/17/2007 6:28:21 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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If I’m predetermined to go to heaven and there’s nothing I can do about it, then what stops me from going out raping and killing when the whim strikes me?

That's why Luther says he can commit 300 adulteries a day, Chirst forgave him (if he is the elect). Like I said, with that mindset, it is no wonder we have a narcissistic violent society. If you believe you are the elect, no matter what you do you are forgiven already. It's a religion tailor-made to man's taste.

2,639 posted on 08/17/2007 7:50:51 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: MarkBsnr; P-Marlowe
Now we are back to the idea that God has created a bunch of robots. If that is so, then why fight it? Why strive and struggle?

As I'm sure you would agree, no one should struggle to merit his way into Heaven. However, the true new believer has been given a new heart. That heart will naturally lead the person to the ways and things of God. Sure, there will be struggles along the way, but the basic premise of the new heart is that it is disposed of to do God's will:

Ezek 36:26-27 : 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

2,970 posted on 08/18/2007 10:36:09 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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