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To: MarkBsnr; P-Marlowe
If I’m predetermined to go to heaven and there’s nothing I can do about it, then what stops me from going out raping and killing when the whim strikes me?

That's why Luther says he can commit 300 adulteries a day, Chirst forgave him (if he is the elect). Like I said, with that mindset, it is no wonder we have a narcissistic violent society. If you believe you are the elect, no matter what you do you are forgiven already. It's a religion tailor-made to man's taste.

2,639 posted on 08/17/2007 7:50:51 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
If you believe you are the elect, no matter what you do you are forgiven already. It's a religion tailor-made to man's taste.

Believing you are elect does not mean you are elect. If you are elect, the fruits of the spirit will be manifest. Luther's point was that it is God who will see you through to the end and you need not rely upon yourself to save yourself. If God has purchased your salvation, there is nothing you can do to undo what God did for you. If, in fact, you spit in God's face by deliberately sinning with the idea that God will forgive you, then you are deluded and you are not elect.

So knock off the silly strawman arguments. You are above that.

2,641 posted on 08/17/2007 8:03:17 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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