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To: MarkBsnr
If I’m predetermined to go to heaven and there’s nothing I can do about it, then what stops me from going out raping and killing when the whim strikes me?

If you follow every fleshly whim, then obviously you were NOT predestined to go to heaven.

Godly discipline and good works and wanting to serve the Lord is evidence of our election.

2,633 posted on 08/17/2007 6:28:21 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; kosta50

Do you have any idea how foreign your statements are to the message of the Gospels?

“If you follow every fleshly whim, then obviously you were NOT predestined to go to heaven.

Godly discipline and good works and wanting to serve the Lord is evidence of our election.”

Kosta is very accurate - this is the ultimate narcissism. Calvin was an elitist tyrant and this concept appealed to him very much. It also justified his reign of terror - if you weren’t of the elect and therefore going straight to hell, then surely he would be justified treating you on earth like the lowly scum that you were.


2,665 posted on 08/18/2007 7:15:40 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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