Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
That’s a good way of putting it.
but I don’t really have the answer. I know that when I neglect my prayer life...
thanks for your post...
Ha!
It’s much funnier now.
thanks..
One of my children, with his free will chose to nearly destroy his life with drugs. Would I have put him in restraints to stop him? YES.
I have faith God can and does preserve His word throughout many languages and translations.
So am I.
:>)
LOLOLOL!
Your response is to say you don't agree with those Scriptures. It's difficult to discuss the topic when we each use different measurements for the evidence.
Where do you disagree with the Scripture I offered?
Fascinating insights, dearest 'pipe! You seem to be pointing to the "gnostic types." Their theory generally propounds: The knowledge of all truth is possible for individual human beings, provided such individuals are willing to sign up for the course in [Hermetic] "enlightenment," given by the eminent Professor So-and-so with his colleagues, all of which as if emanating from a central source that has not yet been accounted for let alone identified.
Usually such cons are presented in the form of bona-fide public education, and taxpayer money usually pays for them.
These days such considerations seem to be rarely entertained or engaged by our (supposedly) highly well-educated, intelligent public. At least not by the ones who are presently "bloviating" on the public airwaves, etc. -- on talk radio, network and cable TV, the MSM of print journalism, the blogosphere; and all together, in all their multifarious, mutual permutations. [And these days, AFAIC, that would definitely include Bill O'Reilly.]
And that's just the long way of saying: I completely agree with you, dearest brother in Christ!
Thank you. So the rest of your post is just another opinion.
Is Satan a created being? At any point in time could God kill Satan? Does God know the evil which Satan tempts men towards and yet He permits the temptation anyway, knowing all the while exactly what will happen when to whom and why?
Can Satan thwart God's will?
Exactly.
Next to justification by Christ's sacrifice alone, I don't think there's any doctrine in Scripture as important and necessary to understand than the Trinity. Without it we are not Christians. So if someone chose to stress that point, I don't think it's so egregious. Nothing in the rest of 1 John 5 contradicts the verses. In fact, it supports them.
Let's ask forthedeclaration. What do you think about 1 John 5:7-8, ftd?
Humans are the descendents of Satan???
LOL. That is a lie, Mark. You've lied about Calvinism for days now, so I'm not surprised the lies keep getting bigger and bigger.
God has created a bunch of people and is going to roast them, undeservedly, forever.
Undeservedly? The only people in hell are those who do not have faith in Jesus Christ. Do you disagree with that?
It makes me wonder what kind of mind, what kind of psychosis could come up with that.
I realize the counter-Reformation has to label all dissidents as enemies of Rome and in need of extermination, but your langauge is over the top...again.
"Since he was cursed who rebuilt Jericho, much more the man who labours to restore Popery among us. In our fathers' days the gigantic walls of Popery fell by the power of their faith, the perseverance of their efforts, and the blast of their gospel trumpets; and now there are some who would rebuild that accursed system upon its old foundations. O Lord, be please to thwart their unrighteous endeavours, and pull down every stone which they build. It should be a serious business with us to be thoroughly purged of every error which may have a tendency to foster the spirit of Popery, and when we have made a clean sweep at home we should seek in every way to oppose its all too rapid spread abroad in the church and in the world. This last can be done in secret by fervent prayer, and in public by decided testimony. We must warn with judicious boldness those who are inclined towards the errors of Rome; we must instruct the young in gospel truth, and tell them of the black doings of Popery in the olden times. We must aid in spreading the light more thoroughly through the land, for priests, like owls, hate daylight. Are we doing all we can for Jesus and the gospel? If not, our negligence plays into the hands of priestcraft. What are we doing to spread the Bible, which is the Pope's bane and poison? Are we casting abroad good, sound gospel writings? Luther once said, 'The devil hates goose quills,' and doubtless, he has good reason, for ready writers, by the Holy Spirit's blessing, have done his kingdom much damage. If the thousands who will read this short word this night will do all they can to hinder the rebuilding of his accursed Jericho, the Lord's glory shall speed among the sons of men. Reader, what can you do? What will you do?" -- From "Evening By Evening" by Charles Spurgeon
10/4 rubber ducky..
I can see you haven't studied this subject much and are relying on strange information that you've perhaps heard someplace.
I'd recommend just a quick glance at an encyclopedia or short bio of Calvin. Someone like you shouldn't want to look uneducated to others.
Respectfully, my response was I disagree with the theology that says God created man without free will, TULIP and so on.
That is one of the great theological questions of all time.
There are folks that believe that Satan serves God’s will and that all Hell is, is the last resort to get a person’s attention.
Satan is God’s creation. That’s Biblical, and no gainsaying, so there it is. Can God destroy Satan. I believe so, yes. So therefore what is Satan’s use? To drive people to be the best they can be? Or to have them prove to themselves that they have given up and failed?
What is the opinion of the elect?
Of course He does: He is Father to all mankind. God speaks to all men, presumably in the language they understand.
And I also absolutely agree that the knowledge of the Greek language is not a necessary prerequisite for understanding Scripture.
But the Greek language imbeds certain philosophical ideas that survive to our own day that do not easily lend themselves to modern translation. There is a Christian tradition, the elaboration of Christian philosophy, that perhaps originally came from/through Saint Justin Martyr, who initially viewed Christian theology through the lens of classical Greek philosophy. But far more than that, Justin evidently "fell" for Christianity in the same way Augustine would "fall": as not only the perfection of the rational human mind in Our Lord Jesus Christ; but more, the perfection of the individual human life, the human soul, in the present and its beyond in eternity, in and through Him.
So philosophy gives a narrow view of course; but Justin is complemented by Saint Paul's experience and testimony, arising in part from his Hebraic roots, perhaps profoundly affected by the experience of having been blown out of his saddle, left stunned, dumb, and blind for days: thus the Roman Jew Saul of Tarsus' experience of the Rauch of God, on the road to Damascus.
In these two men, Athens and Jerusalem met and, arguably, have never since parted.... IMHO FWIW (figuratively speaking of course)
Christ came to fulfill the Law of the Prophets, then to institute a new dispensation of divine law that relied on their insights, God's direct communication through Moses; yet God resolved the ten several into two final principles, both of which have "love" as the active verb.
Jesus Christ fulfilled the Prophets. By the same token -- divine Justice -- I do not see why he did not also fulfill the great Greek Philosphers....
God is Love. God is Truth. God is Justice.
Good night, dear sister in Christ! May His blessings be ever with you and all of yours.
Whoa.
The doctrine of the predetermined is that the only people going to hell are the predestined to hell and the only people going to heaven are the predestined to heaven.
It doesn’t matter if I believe in Jesus or Heaven or Hell. If I’m on the list, then off I go. That is Calvinism. Calvinism says that no matter what I do or don’t do, my life and afterlife are determined. Where is the lie?
And that I utterly reject.
1 John 5:7 and a small portion of 8 are textual additions by a scribe. They were discovered and usually included by footnote or italicized to show it was not in the earliest manuscripts, similar to Mark 16:9-20. The evidence of the Holy Spirit’s safekeeping God’s word is the just this kind of comparing scripture to the earliest fragments and winnowing out the additions. The same can’t be said of man’s traditions or liturgy which change over time.
Shouldn’t?
Well, I’ve made an ass of myself yesterday, so my modesty is somewhat compromised.
The theology of Calvin, is based upon the total depravity of man, is it not? If it is, then who is the father of depravity? Satan or God?
If the sins of the father are visited upon the sons, then doesn’t it go back to the father? All the way back? The Father of Lies?
Evil either comes from God or from Satan. Right?
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