Southern Baptist leader counters Vatican edict

MSNBC ^ | July 19, 2007

[N3WBI3]

LOL! I thought the same thing. I find the last part very funny as Catholics put more weight in confessions to their Priest than to one an other..

[kawaii]

as opposed to protestants who refuse to confess anything (since they’re all free from guilt) and instead sing lame songs, preach a bunch of worldly garbage focused on the earthly life rather than the world to come, and read a bunch of poorly translated scriptures and then debate madly how they’re all self declared Popes and so they’re infailable in THEIR interpretation.

[adiaireton8]

The form of the condemnation in its ratification was not for heresy per se, but for negligence with respect to heresy. See here.

-A8

[N3WBI3]

as opposed to protestants who refuse to confess anything

Hmmmm you'll have to let me know where you got this from, my Pastors take on Confession

http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/1985/488_Test_the_Spirits_to_See_Whether_They_Are_of_God/

Obviously we believe in Confession! and not the kind thats done in private and absolved by 10 rosaries

If you were to have an affair and go to him he would demand you go to your spouse and confess the sin to the person it was against! Christians are to confess to each other not some priest in an anonymous box.

instead sing lame songs, preach a bunch of worldly garbage focused on the earthly life rather than the world to come

Wow you have no experience in my church preaching on worldly things? Hell the fathers day service at our local Catholic service (I took my father) was about the Minnesota vikings and how the new priest knew some of them and was happy to be in Minnesota, at my Church is was deeply about Gods relation to us and how our families are to be a witness to his holiness!

and read a bunch of poorly translated scriptures

Yea cause the word was meant to be in a language nobody understands, lamp under a basket and all.

self declared Popes and so they’re infailable in THEIR interpretation.

Hmm I have never seen a pastor at my church claim infallibility, and I have never seen a member or elder claim anyone in the church is without failure. This is unlike the position of catholics who thing the pope is without error.

[kawaii]

Obviously we believe in Confession! and not the kind thats done in private and absolved by 10 rosaries

The Orthodox are not in the habit of reguraly dolling out penance however your aspersions on confession are strange in the context of scriptue:

Jam 5:16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[kawaii]

I'm not Catholic and I've never seen a worldly sermon at my church (the sermon is generally at most 5-8 minutes at the end and relates to the Feast Day or Scripture Readings.

[kawaii]

Hmm I have never seen a pastor at my church claim infallibility, and I have never seen a member or elder claim anyone in the church is without failure. This is unlike the position of catholics who thing the pope is without error.

That's because the day they do will be the day they form protestant sect number 20,000+ + 1.

[N3WBI3]

Look you are obviously so full of venom for those who do not bow to your church this discussion is quite pointless. You worship your Church more than your Christ!

[kawaii]

I don’t politely sip tea while wolves profess heresies.

[N3WBI3]

What Heresies are being professed on this thread?

[kawaii]

sola-scriptura, schismaticism, iconoclasism, shall i go on?

[DungeonMaster]

The New Testament WASN’T EVEN WRITTEN DOWN,

I'm still marveling at your "Christ never mentions a book". Somehow you are trying to make an argument against believing the bible.

[DungeonMaster]

What’s this reading club thing?

[adiaireton8]

If apososltlic succession offered any "church" full protection against error, you'd have no other "Churches", such as the "imperfect Churches" recognized by the RCC's latest document on the issue of "churches".

Who claimed that apostolic succession per se guarantees any [particular] Church full protection against error? The Catholic Church does not teach that. It is not merely apostolic succession that protects the Holy See from doctrinal error; it is the conjunction of apostolic succession along with the unique charism given to St. Peter as rock upon which the Church is built and holder of the keys of the kingdom of heaven (Matt 16:19).

If Peter's See was to be more than greatest among equals, why only the holder of his See in Rome & not the holder of his earlier See in Antioch?

Because while St. Peter (it is believed) conferred upon Evodius the episcopate in Antioch, St. Peter conferred upon St. Linus in addition the keys of the kingdom of heaven before his [St. Peter's] martyrdom there in Rome. We can see the evidence for this already by contrasting the way in which St. Clement deals with the problems in Corinth, sending legates there, with the way St. Ignatius of Antioch speaks deferentially to the Church at Rome.

-A8

[Patriotic1]

No. It’s not necessary, but our sacraments bestow grace on us. Grace helps me to act more like Christ.

[adiaireton8]

That does not refute my argument that: "Since Jesus Himself never wrote a document, your requirement [that magisterial authority be established with documentary proof] would imply that even the Twelve had no authority, since they could not therefore produce any "documentary proof" that they had been authorized and commissioned by Christ Himself."

-A8

[kawaii]

no i am arguing against WORSHIPING the Bible and ignoring the wholeness of the revealed truth.

[N3WBI3]

Sola-Sctiptura: Putting the word over traditions is heresy? I can understand disagreement but heresy? How is the Word of God to be put on par with the traditions of man and thats *not* heresy? Christ himself railed against Pharisees and their Traditions.

Schismaticism: My church lacks not for enforcement of solidarity. Nobody here has advocated for such a position, and leaving a Church because it is apostate is not herititcal but called for in scripture.

Iconoclasism: Not familiar with this one can you please expand?

[DungeonMaster]

no i am arguing against WORSHIPING the Bible and ignoring the wholeness of the revealed truth.

You are really programmed away from the bible. You seem not to be aware that the bible mentions scripture and you use such terms as "worshipping the bible" about people who read and believe it. You even have coined a phrase about reading clubs which seems to mock people who read the bible. Satan has really done a number on you.

[kawaii]

Sola-Sctiptura: Putting the word over traditions is heresy? I can understand disagreement but heresy? How is the Word of God to be put on par with the traditions of man and thats *not* heresy? Christ himself railed against Pharisees and their Traditions.

2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Strictly speaking that the Bible IS the Word of God is a Tradition (big T). Big T Traditions are not those of men but those of the Church guided by the Holy Spirit.

For more:
http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/inq_tradition.aspx