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Pope says Protestants are on the Outside – Bible says Pope is on the Fringe
CrossActionNews ^ | Rev Michael Bresciani

Posted on 07/17/2007 8:39:01 PM PDT by Victory111

Pope Benedict XVI has drawn fire from Protestants worldwide for saying in early July of 2007, that they are not part of the “true church.” Protestants have weighed in and the response has included everything from disappointment to anger.

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1 posted on 07/17/2007 8:39:06 PM PDT by Victory111
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To: Victory111

Great article.


2 posted on 07/17/2007 8:41:43 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Victory111
Whose interpretation says the "pope is on the fringe"?

-A8

3 posted on 07/17/2007 8:45:21 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: RKV

Agreed.


4 posted on 07/17/2007 8:48:47 PM PDT by swatbuznik
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To: Victory111

That is not what the pop said!


5 posted on 07/17/2007 8:59:22 PM PDT by newberger (NO on Cloture! NO on "comprehensive" immigration reform!)
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To: newberger

Make that Pope, not pop.


6 posted on 07/17/2007 9:00:23 PM PDT by newberger (NO on Cloture! NO on "comprehensive" immigration reform!)
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To: Victory111

And to think, I just sat down with a bowl of popcorn. Really.


7 posted on 07/17/2007 9:05:30 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: newberger

What did he say?


8 posted on 07/17/2007 9:42:56 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: doc1019

Other than what he said?


9 posted on 07/17/2007 9:44:23 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: doc1019

He said that somehow the Church must be present in faithful non-Catholic assemblies but that the Church “subsists” in the Roman Church.

Everyone seems to be taking this statement as an attack. It isn’t. It’s a statement of the Catholic Church’s self -understanding as the Church that Christ founded.

It is what Rome has said all along.

The document tries to find language that includes others while being true to itself.

All of the hollering was mostly generated by non-Catholic Christians responding to the complaints of secularist journalists and liberal Protestants.

By the way, I am NOT Roman Catholic and do not agree with the claim that the Roman Catholic Church is the one church. I just admire their honesty and charity.


10 posted on 07/17/2007 9:50:49 PM PDT by newberger (NO on Cloture! NO on "comprehensive" immigration reform!)
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To: Victory111
The more important question than "which is the true church" is "which is the true salvation." Peter was the first to say that it was not his own name that provides salvation but it is the name of Jesus only. To wit; "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12) The name is not Baptist, or Catholic or Evangelical or Pentecostal, the name is Jesus.

Other than this very last paragraph, the article is garbage.

11 posted on 07/17/2007 9:59:18 PM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Victory111

Quote from the article:

“Protestants have weighed in and the response has included everything from disappointment to anger.”

Who cares? Does it matter what they think?


12 posted on 07/17/2007 10:14:33 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998
Who cares? Does it matter what they think?

No, but it does matter that we Protestants be allowed to think it -and, yes, say it.

By the way, I do not expect the Pope to think otherwise. If he did he should become a Protestant like me. I am also delighted he says it - that does come, after all, under his job description.

And I, for one, will not shrink from expiating the contrary.


13 posted on 07/18/2007 1:12:27 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: Rodney King
And to think, I just sat down with a bowl of popcorn. Really.

Shouldn't that be popecorn?

14 posted on 07/18/2007 1:26:38 AM PDT by this_ol_patriot (I saw manbearpig and all I got was this lousy tagline.)
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To: nathanbedford
And I, for one, will not shrink from expiating the contrary.

You might want to proofread better (or check your dictionary!) -- I think you're saying something you didn't mean to! ;-)

15 posted on 07/18/2007 3:10:26 AM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz
Thanks for the wake up call. I meant to say exegete. Sign of entering my amber years.

Pardon my Malaprop.


16 posted on 07/18/2007 3:18:59 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: Victory111
It may be a greqt article, but the first couple of sentences are at the very best imprecise:

Pope Benedict XVI has drawn fire from Protestants worldwide for saying in early July of 2007, that they are not part of the “true church.”

What the statement actually says - drawing on Dominus Iesus of which this staqtement is a clarification, is that their assemblies are not truoly churches. But they, if Baptized ARE part of the true church.

Protestants have weighed in and the response has included everything from disappointment to anger.

And some -- as posted on FR -- have said they quite understand, and, understanding, disagree. Why should the writer reduce everything, in the mode of the lame stream media, to emotion? Is it perhaps because thought, reason, truth, and things of that kind don't matter to him as much as feelings? I didn't read click the link to the article because if somebody starts so poorly, the odds that things will get better are poor. My personal FEELINGS about the Catholic church are a roller-coaster. I joined because of what I THINK of it.

17 posted on 07/18/2007 3:56:51 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

“But they, if Baptized ARE part of the true church.”

Minor correction. ...if PROPERLY baptized.... There are religious institutions who purport to “baptize”, but whose baptisms are not recognized as valid (Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, for instance).

http://www.archdiocesesantafe.org/Offices/Worship/RCIA/RCIAInformation/Baptisms.pdf


18 posted on 07/18/2007 4:29:48 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...

If Dr Steve had been elected Pope we woudln’t be having this discussion right now.


19 posted on 07/18/2007 5:00:07 AM PDT by Gamecock (FR Member Gamecock: Declared Anathema By The Council Of Trent)
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To: Victory111
Unknown to the world at large is the fact that millions of Bible taught Christians care little about ecumenical dialogue with Catholicism. Because they believe in the promised “apostasy” of the church in the last generation of time they will do anything to stay clear of all the best efforts of ecumenicists to pull them into ecumenicism, syncretism, liberalism or anything else the papacy has to offer.

The thought that their Lutheran, Episcopol, Prebyterian, Baptist, etc churches being just that apostasy never having occured to them I guess.
20 posted on 07/18/2007 5:03:46 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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