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To: MarkBsnr
I specifically liked this piece some of the ancient Christian heresies, grin.
you mean herisies like what jesus believed? LOL! (Oh come on buy a sens of humor!) The Catholic Church, while recognizing most Protestant baptisms, does not recognize LDS baptisms precisely because of that different understanding of Jesus. And we don't recognize any of your se because you lack the authority to do it (see, it's fair, you can do whatever you wnat in your church while worshipping Jesus and so can we.)

So for me, it simply means that we disagree on our theology, much as I’d disagree with the Animists, Bahais or Hindus. I do have a problem with the redefining of many Christian terms and entities to the LDS definitions, but as long as I understand where you are coming from and what you mean when you say what you say, then we can certainly have civil discourse.

Let em make this easy for you, if I can.

Mormons are not Orthodox chriustians and do not claim to be, however, we are christians because we worship Jesus Christ.

Was that complicated? I hope I did not strain anyone with simply stating what has for some wierd reason been made intoa complex argument involving temporal mechanics and string theory. (It's funn but the lurkers have got to be fleeing the therad in droves when we get that far out, you know?) Thank you very much for being so free and open. I was beginning to think that Mormons were pretty secretive and had something to hide. :)

We are generally a modest group, but i don't think that is what you were talking about (grin)

The whole of Moromn cannon, and most of the works (those not prohibited by the copyright holders) of the church are avaialable on-line at LDS.ORG. The catholic church similarly has lots of stuff online at new advent.org. Most other religions are not so forth coming wiht both their strong points and their warts.

anyway, i look forward to many interestign conversations with you, if you are genuinely wondering about any topic, ping me ("when did you stop beating your wife" questions will be treated as they deserve to be >;^p)
1,068 posted on 07/13/2007 11:04:44 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser

Oh, no question about it. I recognize the LDS hierarchy’s authority to do as it sees fit within the confines of the LDS Church.

My reference to heresies are, of course, defined as the Catholic Church defines them. The incorporation of the Arian doctrine, for instance, within the LDS Church presents, in all probability ,an insurmountable gulf between us theologically.

The very nature of Jesus Christ as recognized by our two organizations also presents an insurmountable gulf. We understand that Jesus IS God, one with the Father and one with the Holy Spirit; and that the three are One. LDS apparently understands that Jesus is created by God as a lesser being and, while Jehovah of the Old Testament, is still subordinate. The issue may or may not be of importance to Mormons, but it sure is to mainstream Christianity.

I’ll try to avoid the ‘when did you stop beating your wife’ questions.

New Advent is a very good site for Catholic doctrine, certainly; the USCCB site and the Vatican site are quite authoritative. I must say that it is refreshing to converse with somebody that has a published doctrine and who can refer to it, rather than somebody whose complete theology is affected by the quality of their breakfast, the mood of their wife, the chewings out of their boss, and the quantities of whisky that they consumed the night before. But who all come equipped with a post-dunk get out of hell free card.

Modesty? True; the Mormon beauty pageants that I’ve seen pictures of have the young ladies in fairly revealing bikinis and g-strings, but the overall effect is drastically offset by those large t-shirts and bloomers that they wear underneath!!!!


1,071 posted on 07/13/2007 11:23:47 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: DelphiUser
The whole of Moromn cannon, and most of the works ....

And NONE of the Temple rites!

1,101 posted on 07/13/2007 1:04:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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