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Oh, no question about it. I recognize the LDS hierarchy’s authority to do as it sees fit within the confines of the LDS Church.

My reference to heresies are, of course, defined as the Catholic Church defines them. The incorporation of the Arian doctrine, for instance, within the LDS Church presents, in all probability ,an insurmountable gulf between us theologically.

The very nature of Jesus Christ as recognized by our two organizations also presents an insurmountable gulf. We understand that Jesus IS God, one with the Father and one with the Holy Spirit; and that the three are One. LDS apparently understands that Jesus is created by God as a lesser being and, while Jehovah of the Old Testament, is still subordinate. The issue may or may not be of importance to Mormons, but it sure is to mainstream Christianity.

I’ll try to avoid the ‘when did you stop beating your wife’ questions.

New Advent is a very good site for Catholic doctrine, certainly; the USCCB site and the Vatican site are quite authoritative. I must say that it is refreshing to converse with somebody that has a published doctrine and who can refer to it, rather than somebody whose complete theology is affected by the quality of their breakfast, the mood of their wife, the chewings out of their boss, and the quantities of whisky that they consumed the night before. But who all come equipped with a post-dunk get out of hell free card.

Modesty? True; the Mormon beauty pageants that I’ve seen pictures of have the young ladies in fairly revealing bikinis and g-strings, but the overall effect is drastically offset by those large t-shirts and bloomers that they wear underneath!!!!

Dang! this page never posted, and I went on, posting now, then work, then BBL

you said: My reference to heresies are, of course, defined as the Catholic Church defines them. The incorporation of the Arian doctrine, for instance, within the LDS Church presents, in all probability ,an insurmountable gulf between us theologically.

Yes, it's too bad the Catholics fell for Constantine's deal at Nice, the really fell away there, i guess there obviously a gulf, they left the truth as was prophesied in the Bible, and really need to repent and join God's restored Church and return to his truth.

You see the opposite argument can be made tot he one the Catholic church is used to making with Protestants. Sometimes, It takes a Catholic to understand the strength of the Mormon position theologically.

you said: The very nature of Jesus Christ as recognized by our two organizations also presents an insurmountable gulf. We understand that Jesus IS God, one with the Father and one with the Holy Spirit; and that the three are One.

Which goes to the heart of the Council at Nice, the belief that had been the norm (see my section on Hippolytus on my page) refuting the Arianism that was the norm before and accepting the Noetian View that had been called a heresy by the church fathers up until then. (you do understand that the doctrine of the infallibility of the pope and the inerrancy of the church means that if one instance of changing a doctrine that was previously held means that by their own tenants the Catholic church is not true, right?) I am not expecting you to admit that I am right. I am not trying to prove you wrong. All I expect is the entirely logical statement that "you could look at it that way" for then we can discuss the differences without fighting over why they exist.

LDS apparently understands that Jesus is created by God as a lesser being and, while Jehovah of the Old Testament, is still subordinate.

Relationships?

As a son, of course Jesus is obedient to his Father.

As a member of the God head (which is in the Bible where Trinity is not by the way) Jesus and God are Co-equal, and being of one mind might and strength, to speak to one is to speak to the other., they are equal for they are one.

What you are doing is trying to say it's all one relation ship (sounds familiar eh?) and we are saying there is more than one relationship. So it's just not as simple as you keep trying to make it.

you said: The issue may or may not be of importance to Mormons, but it sure is to mainstream Christianity.

It is important to us, but we are not the ones claiming people have to understand us, and not being willing to understand you.

you said: I’ll try to avoid the ‘when did you stop beating your wife’ questions.

Thank you, I will do the same for you.

you said: I must say that it is refreshing to converse with somebody that has a published doctrine

Thanks again, I will be linking when we get to doctrine that needs "Backup", Grin

you said: Modesty? True; the Mormon beauty pageants that I’ve seen pictures of have the young ladies in fairly revealing bikinis and g-strings, but the overall effect is drastically offset by those large t-shirts and bloomers that they wear underneath!!!!

ROTFLOL!

Thanks, this post was getting dry... gonna go get some Adam's ale (water) for my throat now...