Posted on 06/27/2007 10:50:27 AM PDT by GCC Catholic
Cyril and Methodius, patron saints of Europe.
OMG IT COMING Yeah I saw that joke MONK ROFL in freepmail you send me
I told our DRE last fall that I wanted to take my 9th graders on a road trip to experience TLM. He asked at which church and then said “are they in communion with Rome, is this a schismatic church”. Apparently he, who is in his mid-50’s, thinks anything in Latin is schismatique. Sigh.
It was not for nothing that the Novus Ordo had to be ruthlessly imposed. The restoration of the Traditional Mass will not be that difficult over time. This is particularly true if Tridentine Masses are not stretched out with every bell and whistle to be 90 minute affairs. Let there be such Masses for those who prefer them but let there also be crisply celebrated Trdentine Masses that were the norm in era past. The Novus Ordo is certainly a Mass but its rubrics are not culturally comparable to the Tridentine Mass.
According to our Unitarian second president (in the brilliant McCullough biography) John Adams, in a letter to his wife Abigail from Paris, wrote that the old Mass was a ritual of such power that he feared the result for non-Catholicism if a wide public witnessed it in our country. In those days, it was a crime to celebrate Mass in much of Congregationalist/Unitarian New England. I do not recall such words as those of Adams being expressed as to the Novus Ordo, although it is a valid Mass.
God bless you and yours. I trust that your recovery is moving along.
I think we are going to see widespread interest right away, with a noticeable number of priests at least dipping their toes into the water over the next 6-12 months. Many will probably receive little or no positive feedback from either their bishops or their parishioners — as I trust they expect. Of these, many will be discouraged and give up the project. What’s needed is an appreciation of the intrinsic value of the traditional rite — an appreciation that fear of congregational displeasure is itself one of the bad fruits of the misbegotten reform, which degraded the Mass into an applause-seeking performance.
Lex orandi, etc.: Both clergy and laity need time to allow liturgy — any liturgy — to form them, either for good or else not-so-good. IMO a year or two of weekly celebration/attendance at the Extraordinary Rite will be needed before it starts to feel like “home”.
Of course, Catholics readily translate “Dark Ages” wisely and accurately as “Age of Faith.”
I don't know your DRE at all. On the face of it, though, that's a legitimate question. Sadly, it's a necessary question as well. I've been fooled by "independent" chapels a couple of times.
We need this in Latin on a t-shirt.
I have stumbled into a friendship with a small community with undeniably and unbelievably close and wholly unfettered ties to B16.
Of course I asked about the indult during the end of May: these people have no doubt that there will be a universal indult that allows any priest to offer the 1962 latin Mass regardless of the wishes of the local bishop.
Does that make it official? No. But given the news reports today there now seems to be no reason to doubt that the indult is real.
See #36
May it please God, I believe so. But, then I am not the Pope who often plays 3-dimensional chess.
;-o)
It seems that a better slogan would be a positive version of your clever idea:
“IF IT’S LATIN, IT’S RITE!”
I have heard a young, African-American priest tell me that he is dying to say the Tridentine Mass and that YOUNG PEOPLE are clamoring for it. This priest is a former Episcopalian who converted.
I also heard that the EWTN switchboards were flooded with people who witnessed the burial liturgies for Pope John Paul II in which Chant played a very prominent role. The question most often asked was, “How do I become Catholic?”
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The church we went to is one of the oldest in the diocese. He knew where it was as it is across the street from the baseball stadium. He did state that he didn’t know that RC churches were allowed to do TLM. VII and all that. He didn’t know what Novus Ordo meant either.
Right now our parish is a mess so very little surprises me coming from the staff. Kumbayah.
Laus Deo latine loqui coactus sum.
“Praise be to God, I have this compulsion
to speak Latin.”
My husband and I took our twenty-three year old son to a Latin Mass in Pittsburgh last Christmas when he was home on leave. He was astounded at the reverence, the beauty of the TLM. He could not believe the difference. He had no idea what he had been missing all of these years. My husband, who is a convert, started attending with me last year, and he loves it.
I know there are three priests in our diocese who have asked our bishop for permission to say the TLM. He has flatly refused. I hope these three are still as determined once the MP is published.
I agree, it will take time for the TLM to re-establish itself, but I believe it will grow. We need it in these times in which we live, more than ever.
And my parish....
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I don't know if this is just bad translation, if it simply means that one of the bishops' requests was that it contain a mechanism giving the "last word" to the bishops, or if it means that this is actually part of the document.
Obviously, someone has got to have the last word. But does this mean that in a liberal diocese, if some flaky "liturgist" gets in a dispute with a priest who wishes to say the TLM, the liberal bishop still gets to come out and quash the priest?
If they've got an out like that in the document, the bishops are going to make sure the Traditional Rite is no more available after the MP than it was before.
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