Being Catholic: Sacred Things, Relics and the Incorruptibles

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Please note the three classes of relics:

Classes of Relics

1st Class Relic:	a part of the Saint (bone, hair, etc.) and the instruments of Christ's passion
2nd Class Relic:	something owned by the Saint or instruments of torture used against a martyr
3rd Class Relic:	something that has been touched to a 1st or 2nd Class Relic. You can make your own 3rd Class relics by touching an object to a 1st or 2nd Class Relic, including the tomb of a Saint.

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Being Catholic: Sacred Things, Relics and the Incorruptibles

[Tax-chick]

Very informative.

[Salvation]

Maybe it will clear up the idea that another thread has that medals are relics. They are not.

Medals are sacramentals.

Big difference.

Do you kids return from camp today or tomorrow?

[Tax-chick]

Girl Scouts day camp ended yesterday. Boy Scout camp starts tomorrow. Then we get a break for about three weeks.

If a medal were touched to a first- or second- class relic, then it could be a third-class relic, right?

[Enosh]

"Titulus Crucis, a Crucifixion nail, relic of the True Cross, two thorns from the Crown of Thorns, the greater part of the sponge used to give Christ vinegar..."

Wow! Is there any dried blood left anywhere on them?

[Nihil Obstat]

I’m pretty sure that they did find blood on one of the thorns, (maybe the thorn in Paris), and I’m pretty sure that it is the same blood type (AB) that matches the Shroud of Turin, the Sudarium, and the Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano.

Sudarium - http://www.shroudstory.com/faq-sudarium.htm
Lanciano - http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

[Swordmaker]

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[stfassisi]

Here is the link to the Vatican Museum on line virtual tour
http://mv.vatican.va/3_EN/pages/MV_Visite.html

[tiki]

Did you know that if you superimpose the Vilnius depiction of the Divine Mercy onto the shroud it is a perfect fit.

[NYer]

Which class of relic is presented at the canonization of a new saint?

[Military family member]

When they Sisters of Providence exumed St. Mother Theodore Guerin prior to her beatification in 1992, they discovered that her brain was completely intact. Given that the brain is mostly water, it tends to be one of the first organs to decay.

St. Mother Guerin's body is located in the Church of Immaculate Conception, St. Mary-of-the-Woods, Indiana. Next to it are visable relics—her fingers.

[ClaireSolt]

I spent 15 years researching and writing about the medieval cult of saints and relics, especially reliquaries. There is mounds of witness testimony of miracles. When I see someone like Christopher Hitchens or Dawkins spouting off, I somehow know that they have never been exposed to those mountains of evidence.

[Tax-chick]

So does touching a medal to a first-class relic make the medal a third-class relic?

It sounds like a fascinating field of study. Evidence doesn’t matter to people like Hitchens and Dawkins. It’s really quite the opposite of a “scientific” viewpoint, which draws conclusions from observations; theirs seems to be “reality is what I say it is.”

[tiki]

Let’s pray that God would show him a little evidence.

[ClaireSolt]

Yes, because holiness is transmitted.

[Salvation]

*8If a medal were touched to a first- or second- class relic, then it could be a third-class relic, right?**

And perhaps that has happened in some cases.

[Salvation]

I don’t know about those articles, but it seems there is blood somewhere other than the Shroud of Turin. (Which has not been fully approved by the Church, as far as I am aware.)