Posted on 06/17/2007 4:26:04 AM PDT by markomalley
Looks interesting.
The problem Mark is only the saved can call God Father.
They need to learn that first, that they need to repent and believe in Christ as their Saviour,without that they are not His.
They need to learn that first, that they need to repent and believe in Christ as their Saviour,without that they are not His.
Why don't you say plainly what you are implying?
I am just telling you what scripture says
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Jhn 1:9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. Jhn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
The only ones that can pray that prayer are those that have come in faith to Christ. To teach young people that they can call God Father based on their humanity, good works or church attendance is to teach error.
This is great! My husband is reading it now.
My husband and I were talking about the differences in the Mass and his experience growing up as a Methodist.
He remarked about the deep understanding he now has of Scripture after a few years of listening to homilies from the readings and my reading of the Navarre bible with him. He said that that understanding has led him to a much deeper relationship with Jesus and he truly understands now what the Eucharist is. He’s been given a Grace in that he believes.
I’ve been praying for some time for him to become a catechumin and I think he’s very close to doing so.
What a great post! Keep my husband in your prayers, please.
I'm still confused. I don't see that the article teaches the opposite than this.
Or, is it simply that you object to Catholics saying the “Our Father” (or the Lord’s Prayer, as it is known in certain circles)?
•"vocal prayer
•"ascetical prayer"
•"affective prayer"
•"prayer of simplicity"
•"prayer of meditation"
These endless divisions seem like taking a simple subject such as prayer and turning it into legalisms. Christ had a better suggestion.
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name..." -- Matthew 6:5-9"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Actually I do not use the Lords prayer as I do not believe that was the intent of the prayer
My point is just what I said it was, not only Catholics seem to miss the fact that the general fatherhood of God to all men is a lie from hell.
God is only Father to those He adopts.
Mark you know that song that says something like "all men are my brothers"? That is not true, it is not biblical and it gives people a false sense of security and relationship with God where there is none. THAT is my point. Teaching it anywhere is an error I do not care if it is a Catholic church or a Methodist one or a Presbyterian or Baptist.
The opening line. The unsaved, have no right to call God Father. So before it can be used as a teaching tool the kids should have the scripture expounded on that so they can come to God as their true father
You mean this line:
Teens and other “beginners” need to grow in prayer
Or this line:
A previous article1 discussed the special needs of adolescents for authentic prayer.
Again, I am confused. Are you saying that Catholic teens are unsaved and so have no right to say that prayer?
And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them." -- John 17:9-10"I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
In a way yes, and in a way no.
All of mankind can properly be called children of God, insofar as He is the active cause of their existence and are made in His image and likeness.
All those who have been born again are properly said to be children of God, in a deeper, spiritual sense. Through this relationship they call God Father and Christ Brother.
THAT first line
After the fall man resembled Adam no longer God
It may make you feel good to believe that God looks on all men as His children, but it just is not so. See how Jesus answered that very point
Jhn 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Jhn 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God.
Jhn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.
Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Jhn 8:45 And because I tell [you] the truth,ye believe me not.
Jhn 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
Jhn 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.
I would be interested to see your citation where it says "in a general way" all men are the children of God
Exactly, but people would prefer to read over or ignore that statement because it makes God selective
bttt
Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Jhn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me
Even though Jesus was saying that they are doing the work of their father and, as I believe, actually descended from Cain who was the son of Satan, wouldn't they still be the children of the original Creator? Their soul belongs to Him.
Sorry no cigar :)
All souls ARE HIS , that does not mean they are His children, Christ will judge those souls and condemn those that are not His to hell with the devils. He is sovereign over the souls of all of His creation . I am in charge of my dog, but he is not my child. This verse my friend is a verse of Judgment not Fatherhood.
All of Gods creation are subject to His will and that includes Satan and I doubt you would call him a son of God
Please present us with a verse that states all men are the children of God
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