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To: markomalley; trisham; All
The first written account of the institution of the Holy Eucharist was one of the readings for Corpus Christi Sunday

 
 
Reading II
1 Cor 11:23-26

Brothers and sisters:
I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you,
that the Lord Jesus, on the night he was handed over,
took bread, and, after he had given thanks,
broke it and said, "This is my body that is for you.
Do this in remembrance of me."
In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying,
"This cup is the new covenant in my blood.
Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me."
For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup,
you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes.

Now, how in the heck did Paul know about the institution of the Holy Eucharist? He was not at the Last Supper, was he?

Answer: Holy Tradition -- it was orally told to those going out to the Gentiles by the Apostles.

As the apostles who were present at the Last Supper (and the other evangelists) approached the years 80 and 90 AD, they realized that they needed to write down their Gospels. But Paul had been out preaching to the Gentiles for several years already...................check the footnotes in your Bible for the First Letter of St. Paul to the Corinthians!!!!

Are you surprised by this answer?

13 posted on 06/11/2007 8:46:00 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Now, how in the heck did Paul know about the institution of the Holy Eucharist? He was not at the Last Supper, was he?

Answer: Holy Tradition -- it was orally told to those going out to the Gentiles by the Apostles.

Are you surprised by this answer?

Not at all, coming from the Catholic religion...

Now, do you want the truth??? Do you know where to find the truth???

Paul spent 3 years with the Ressurrected Saviour learning everything he taught from the lips of Jesus...There was no tradition to it...

Paul learned nothing from the other Apostles...Paul taught the other Apostles...Paul never talked to the other Apostles until he was already in the ministry of the Mystery of the Church for quite some time...

You know where that comes from??? The Scriptures, alone...

17 posted on 06/11/2007 10:04:06 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: Salvation
Answer: Holy Tradition -- it was orally told to those going out to the Gentiles by the Apostles. As the apostles who were present at the Last Supper (and the other evangelists) approached the years 80 and 90 AD, they realized that they needed to write down their Gospels. But Paul had been out preaching to the Gentiles for several years already...................check the footnotes in your Bible for the First Letter of St. Paul to the Corinthians!!!!

Are you surprised by this answer?

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No, for two reasons. First, the Apostles were out spreading the word of Christ: The only-begotten Son of God says explicitly to the apostles: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Mt 28:19). Second, it was a time when oral history was accepted as it is not today.

20 posted on 06/11/2007 10:15:59 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Salvation
Are you surprised by this answer?

On the contrary. The convolution of this passage from remembrance to "transubstantiation" was fully anticipated.

29 posted on 06/11/2007 11:37:18 AM PDT by pjr12345 (But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? James 2:20)
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To: Salvation
Respectfully. To answer your question, no it’s not all that surprising if one has read the entirety of scripture and understands the historical perspective but I am sure it is surprising to many.

A key to remember is that Christ revealed many things directly Himself to Paul so it’s not surprising to see that he, thru the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, revealed the blessings of the Lord Supper to the Gentiles through Paul as well in his teachings and epistle.

That being said, there is no doubt the Lord’s Supper was clearly spread by the Apostles as well to the Jews so they were able to celebrate the Lord’s Supper as well.

In this case, “tradition” and scripture are one in the same, which is exactly what I believe they must be to be doctrinally sound. In other words, the doctrines of salvation are all present in scripture and were passed on as tradition orally as well so to put it into algebra A (scripture) = B (oral tradition). Not A >/= B or B >/= A.

Please understand I’m not saying all doctrinal tradition is explicitly jumping off the pages of scripture by any means. The Holy Trinity and other doctrines are present in underlying ways that were revealed thru the men the Holy Spirit chose to reveal it thru. The point is that it was able to be shown clearly in scripture once it was unleashed as “tradition”. For me that’s the measuring stick.

Anyhew, this is a topic of, for a lack of better terms, biblical proportions and one I’m not interested in diving too deep into because it’s an exercise in futility. Thanks for letting me share my thoughts...

May you have a blessed evening!

In Christ.

PM

81 posted on 06/11/2007 7:46:00 PM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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