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Posted on 06/07/2007 9:11:04 AM PDT by GCC Catholic
I just received a "solid" on the status of Benedict XVI’s Motu Proprio to derestrict the older form of Mass.
A source in the Secretariate of State says the MP is still in the office of Latin Letters.
If we are at this stage, then it is signed and it will be promulgated.
Keep in mind that translation issues have plagued this papacy and the last. The letter to Chinese Catholics is also in the works. The Post-Synodal Exhortation was long delayed by the translation problem. Benedict XVI even referred to the problem with producing a translation.
The Motu Proprio will not need to express modern concepts like "marginal propensity to consume".
The work ought to be straight foward.
I don’t think that one ought to read anything sinister into this. First, the Latinists are constrained to work from the ITALIAN translation, no matter what the original draft was in. I stipulate that there are not a few people who would prefer that this MP not happen at all. Finally, it is important that they get this right: time is needed to coordinate well all the language versions which will need to be released simultaneously.
I would rather see a delay for the sake of gettin the translation right, than see mistakes and ideologically motivated "errors" along the lines of what appeared in the Post-Synodal Exhoration Sacramentum caritatis.
News on the Motu Proprio ping.
Thanks for the ping!
My Parish Administrator is off to TLM training as we speak!
Wonderful; I wish my parish were as gung-ho about it (I doubt most folks have even the slightest clue that any of this is going on).
On the other hand, I’m really starting to think it may be a very good time to be a seminarian.
One of my parish priests is chafing at the bit on this, even though he is being opposed by the pastor and will probably have to really fight to say the Tridentine Rite mass. And he has to go to a workshop, since he is young and has never said the TLM.
But he mentioned that the first thing he planned to do was, even in the Novus Ordo, to take this as permission to say his mass ad orientam and to say a good deal of his NO mass in Latin. Neither of these practices was ever actually prohibited, to my knowledge, and he wants to use this moment as an opportunity to bring them back in while he learns the Tridentine Rite.
That said, I sure hope it happens soon!
Translation has been a major problem, in some languages more than others. English, unfortunately, is one of the worst of the languages, although I believe the Pope has taken steps to change some of the people in charge of the translations. The translators impede the Pope by dragging their heels at best, and mis-translating at worst.
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Our rector (who celebrates 40 years as a priest this Sunday) just missed it the first time around, he says he's cautious because the Latin can be just mumbled and great scads of it left out. He has a point, but I think the young guys are going to make an effort to do it right, while the rector came in just as everybody was bad-mouthing everything to do with TLM, and he could be expected to hear about the very worst.
He hasn't complained about his young ones doing the Latin, though!
Can do; I’ll try to remember for next time.
I thought I heard that they weren't going to allow any "mixing" of the Rites. This would seem to me to be mixing of the Rites.
Thanks for the ping!
I hope Fr. Z's "solid" info is "more solid" than the "solid" info Alice von H. had straight, supposedly, from B16's mouth that the motu proprio would be made public last May 5th. (lol)
Translation is becoming an “issue” in this Papacy and may border on “insubordination” or even worse. The fumbling after the off the cuff comments in Regenensberg and the one cited above are two egregious examples.
One would think the Holy Father would not have to mess with things like this. Perhaps that is why he asked us to “pray for him.” He knows where the “wolves” are and they are not far outside Rome in the Italian countryside!
Regenensberg = Regensberg
No; both Latin and ad orientam are normative for both the Old and New Masses in the Latin Rite. Vernacular and ad populum celebration are permitted for the NO Mass, but they are not 'normative' even though they are used in an overwhelming majority of cases.
No, those things are actually permitted in the NO, but they are rarely done. Fr. Fessio says his (NO) Mass ad orientam, and I believe he also says much of it in Latin.
Our priest feels that the MP will simply provide him with a convenient time to introduce these practices into his NO mass, since the pastor is likely to be so busy trying to forestall him from saying the Traditional Latin Mass that he won’t even care about what the priest does at the NO. Also, he thought it would be helpful for the people to become accustomed to it, and he actually celebrates his private mass ad orientam now. It’s private, in the sense that it’s not on the schedule, but it’s attended by people “in the know.”
Before he can start with the Traditional Mass, he has to learn it himself and train a couple of altar boys, since their duties are different from their duties in the NO.
Personally, I think there will probably be a significant rub-off effect on the Novus Ordo. That is, there won’t be any “mixing,” but people will perhaps be more open to a reverent, liturgically correct celebration and to other practices (such as the ad orientam position) that are permitted but were never done because they were perceived as anti-VatII by the more extreme liberals.
Well, that's true of the vernacular, too, in my experience! And what's worse, using the vernacular, "creative" priests often actually add to the Mass, sticking in their own inane observations or silly kumbaya phrase of the day. Fortunately, I don't think any of today's crop of priests would be capable of ad-libbing in Latin!
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