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To: ears_to_hear
The only prayer God hears from the unsaved is their prayer for Salvation generated by the Holy Spirit

How do you square one's free will with the compulsion of the Holy Spirit? If the Holy Spirit is the originator, and not the man himself, then who can have free will?

Thus we witness the problem with the assumption that man cannot "do" anything regarding his salvation. If man is incapable of "doing" anything, it requires that God pick and choose those He wishes to save. The ones who aren't selected then have no responsibility for their damnation, and God's damning them is wholly unjust. An unjust Supreme Being is inferior to a just Supreme Being, and thus CANNOT be Supreme, that is CANNOT be God.

Any god that picks and choose who will be saved and who will be damned does not truly allow free will, and is unjust. Thankfully, this failed logic is a doctrine of man and not representative of the God of the Bible.

377 posted on 06/06/2007 10:20:07 AM PDT by pjr12345 (Hear, Believe, Repent, be Baptized, and Continue in Obedience to the Gospel)
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To: pjr12345

Where does it say in scripture that God must be “fair”


403 posted on 06/06/2007 10:36:55 AM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: pjr12345
Thus we witness the problem with the assumption that man cannot "do" anything regarding his salvation. If man is incapable of "doing" anything, it requires that God pick and choose those He wishes to save.

Yea and if that were the case scripture might say thins like "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."

The ones who aren't selected then have no responsibility for their damnation

Logical fallacy, if everyone is a sinner and thus deserving of death selecting a few to save does not mean those who were not saved deserved damnation any less than they already did.

404 posted on 06/06/2007 10:39:26 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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To: pjr12345

None of deserve to be saved. Being saved is a gift, not a right. Free will always leads us to sin, because sinning is in our natures. If you are one of His, you can learn the lesson the easy way or you can learn the lesson the hard way. I’m a lowly sinner & am in no position to question how He uses His power, who He elects & who He doesn’t elect.


428 posted on 06/06/2007 11:06:35 AM PDT by GoLightly
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