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Protestants and the rosary
Paternosters Blogspot ^ | February 26, 2007 | Chris Laning

Posted on 06/05/2007 10:53:58 AM PDT by Frank Sheed

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To: pjr12345
Again, if God selects “the elect” over other sinners, He must be arbitrary and a respecter of persons

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, "Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

We know that He is not a respecter of persons nor is He unfair. The elect earned being of the elect in the first age when they didn't follow Satan in his rebellion. The others that followed him then are now those of free will in this age. They must choose on their own who they will follow - Satan or God.

Ephesians 1:4 According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
Romans 8:30 Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified them He also glorified.

521 posted on 06/06/2007 2:00:25 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: pjr12345

Justice and fairness are two very different things, and often diametrically opposed.


522 posted on 06/06/2007 2:02:02 PM PDT by Terabitten (Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets - E-Frat '94. Unity and Pride!)
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To: GoLightly
Ich bin ein Berliner.


523 posted on 06/06/2007 2:02:04 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Frank Sheed

What does that stand for? Are you a 4th Degree Knight?


524 posted on 06/06/2007 2:02:35 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: pjr12345

What’s the YOPIOS defense?


525 posted on 06/06/2007 2:03:04 PM PDT by Terabitten (Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets - E-Frat '94. Unity and Pride!)
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To: XeniaSt; Frank Sheed

You too? I thought that was Frank’s gig.

Know if the crowd burst out laughing when Kennedy called himself a sweet roll?


527 posted on 06/06/2007 2:06:20 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: GoLightly
I'm sure they gave him credit for trying.

Even though it was a Gaffe.

Should have been: Ich bin Berliner.


528 posted on 06/06/2007 2:29:35 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: GoLightly
First of all my theology can't be stated in a sentence and that really makes it hard to reply to a limited view of God. We pray to know God's will but we also pray for others and ourselves. Ultimately, we pray for our Salvation but we ask God for good things too. And sometimes even selfish things, but He is our Father and has told us to come to Him. He is not only our Father, he is our Daddy, and I don't know about you but I asked my earthly father for things, I just expected him to love me and take care of me because that's how it already was. I believe it even more for God!

How do the saints help us know the will of God? You don't understand, I don't believe that there is one church on earth separated from the one in heaven! We are all one church, the Body of Christ, everyone who has died in Christ, whether physically living or not is a part of that one body, we are all alive in Christ! And just as someone of flesh and blood can inform me and pray for me, I believe that the saints can inform me and pray for me.

Do I have to shout? GOD IS WITH US. THE SAINTS AND ANGELS ARE WITH GOD AND SO THEY ARE WITH US TOO.

By the reasoning or implied reasoning of some there would never be any reason to ask anyone in the flesh either. Or even do anything yourself because God could do that. Yeah, He could but He gave us the means to do much of it ourselves and He gave us family to help us and He also gave us people outside our families to help us and on and on and the Saints are part of our help.

529 posted on 06/06/2007 2:33:33 PM PDT by tiki
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To: OLD REGGIE

I know. That is a difficult passage. You come away from it asking, “is Mary even a Christian?”. But if she wasn’t, how could she be ‘Blessed’ (Luke 1:28).


530 posted on 06/06/2007 2:35:45 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: GoLightly; XeniaSt; Frank Sheed
In Polish, it's a pączek.

In Berlin, it's called a Berliner pfannkuchen or "Berliner" for short. But it's not a pancake, it's a jelly donut.

When you say, "Ich bin Berliner" or "Ich stamm' aus Berlin" you're saying "I am an inhabitant of Berlin." If you say, "Ich bin ein Berliner," then you're saying you're a jelly donut.

A "schnecke" is one of those curled-up sweet rolls. That's German for "snail".

531 posted on 06/06/2007 2:37:15 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: XeniaSt

?Du auch? (See previous post)


532 posted on 06/06/2007 2:37:39 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: pjr12345
Randomly selecting a few for saving is unfair to the rest who will perish.

Nothing unfair about it. Everyone gets at least what they justly deserve. Some get unmerited grace.

533 posted on 06/06/2007 2:37:39 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: 1000 silverlings
Hey, you know, there are whited sepulchres in every church.

Check C.S. Lewis's Screwtape for further information.

534 posted on 06/06/2007 2:39:33 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Frank Sheed; tiki

Tiki’s #423 reminds me of something I tell my Sunday School classes: That every adult in the community has the obligation to help form the children in their faith, and the children need to make sure the adults do it. Ask questions, and if the adults don’t know the answers, tell them to find out.


535 posted on 06/06/2007 2:42:43 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Oh, a Queen may love her subjects in her heart, and yet be dog-wearied of ’em in body and mind.")
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To: ears_to_hear
Why do you need to pray to Mary to meditate? Might not asking the Holy Spirit to lead you to all truth be more appropriate?

If you really want to understand the rosary, no one has ever said it better than Pope John Paul II in his apostolic letter entitled, " Rosarium Virginus Mariae." And there are plenty of scripture verses included to keep fellas with a penchant for cross-referencing quite satisfied. It's a brilliant treatment of the traditional devotion. I highly recommend it.

As for the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit leads to all truth through Christ's Church.

536 posted on 06/06/2007 2:43:06 PM PDT by LordBridey
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To: All

I love the rosary and pray it every day. Saints such as St. Padre Pio prayed it continuously. In many pictures of Mother Teresa of Calcutta, you will notice a rosary in her hand. She stood at the UN and in front of everyone, and a rosary with her, she condemned abortion. The late Holy Father, John Paul II, also prayed many rosaries a day.

Look where it got them...
They were able to accomplish things that are not accomplishable on a ‘natural’ level; the supernatural elements were present.

Ave Maria!


537 posted on 06/06/2007 2:49:08 PM PDT by AveMaria1
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To: Terabitten
What does that word mean?

It means a group of people who believe the see of Peter (i.e., the Papacy) is currently vacant.

There are a group (groups) of schismatics who believe that a valid pope has not been elected. Some say that +Blessed John XXIII was the last validly elected one, some say +Pius XII was the last. These groups really got active following the Vatican II Council.

There are lots of folks, including many of us who are on Free Republic, who are "traddies" -- traditionalists who object to many of the abuses that have occurred in recent decades in the Church (usually done "in the spirit of" Vatican II (barf)), many of whom prefer attending the Mass celebrated according to the Missal of 1962 (the last edition put out while it was still celebrated in Latin). But a 'traddie' recognizes and supports the Pope. A sedevacanist does not do that.

Although they are small in number, they put out material that is identified, illicitly, as Catholic. That is why they are of concern.

Having said that, thanks for asking (sincerely).

538 posted on 06/06/2007 2:56:40 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: AnAmericanMother
My in-laws are 2nd generation, 100% Polish & I wrote it phonetically from the way they say it. I think they'd be aghast if they knew they were using a German word. LOL They used it like a generic form of sweet roll, not any particular kind. This might help me track down the area in Poland their family came from. It would be really funny if they were from the same area where a good share of my German ancestors left in the 1850's. :o)

I don't know the vowel in pÄ…czek, but I'd think the word would be said something like paycheck? Shortening it would be like check, but I know they said it with an "n" sound in it.

I never could pronounce shtirtka (dishrag) properly, but I still use it anyway.

539 posted on 06/06/2007 3:01:29 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Terabitten

YOPIOS means “your own private interpreation of scripture”

The YOPIOS defense is when a protestant and a Catholic look at the same passage and get two (usually diametrically opposed) interpretations.

Catholics interpret scripture in light of the Magesterium (teaching authority) of the Church. The Magesterium consists of the overall body of scripture, along with the oral tradition passed down from apostolic times. Many protestants believe that the Holy Spirit helps them understand scripture.

YOPIOS is a derogatory term used half-jokingly as the result of the multitude of protestant sects that exist...many of which have different interpretations between themselves, as well as the differences they’ll have with Catholics.

Again, glad you asked (wish I’d have seen this post when I answered the last one).


540 posted on 06/06/2007 3:04:23 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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