Posted on 06/05/2007 10:53:58 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
What is the context of your quote? Context , context , context . Who was it written to and what was the point being made?
Hint
It was not the supremacy of God in election
Scripture must be consistent and not contradict other scriptures and the principle must be taught elsewhere or we have a confused and mutable God
Rom 9:11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 ¶What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
There is no dodging this issue. If God chooses one sinner over another, He is in fact a respecter of persons, and a liar to boot. He is arbitrary and not Supreme, and therefore unworthy of worship.
Define sovereign
YOPIOS is the last bastion of those unable to defend against the Truth of Scripture.
It stands for Your Own Personal Interpretation Of Scripture.
LOL, But it happens that Augustine agrees with me :)
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Bully! Someone agrees with you!
;-o)
The only thing that is holy is what God declares holy. One has no holiness aside from that .
The word holy means set aside for Gods purpose not some intrinsic value . Mary was holy ( set aside for the purpose of God, but I prefer to worship and pray to and meditate on the one that declares things holy rather than one of the objects or people declares holy.
The object in the temple were holy, would you pray to them?
I was talking about the outside. Someone mentioned the “trashy” people with the dog that always wandered & it made me wonder if they were one of my neighbors, cept my dawg died a few years ago. My ex used to try to manipulate me, by telling me that people were talking about me behind my back. If people feel the need to look down their nose at someone, they can start with me. If instead, they wanna see what I’m saying & it causes them to examine their behaviour...
I have no doubt that He answers my prayers, but the answer has usually been “no Holly, you need this instead”. He has *always* been right, while me, not so much. ;o)
The same Son that came to walk on the cursed earth and eat with sinners and get his feet dirty as He walked? THAT Son?
Jesus was FULLY GOD AND FULLY MAN , He did not need to be kept in a sterile bubble, that would have been contrary to His call as the propitiation for men
Did He need to get his sinless nature from His mother?
Jesus was God and fully Divine, He did not need a sinless mother to bear Him. Mary gave jesus His HUMAN nature not His divine one
Not just SOMEONE , a Doctor of your church.
I think his opinion shows thee was not complete unity in the church that Peter was the "pope". Even Peter never claimed that for himself
Come on , I have all night
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Excellent! Start with all these first. Then, read “Theology and Sanity” by Frank Sheed, Ignatius Press. It is quite good on revealing the Theology of the Catholic Church in an abridged version.
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Why do we pray & why should we pray for others? Think we pray so that God will give us what we want, whether that want is for us or someone else? Think those who are in heaven still need to pray for others & if they want to do it, think they need us to make our "requirements" known to them?
Is Frank Sheed your god?Have you ever considered YHvH ?
LOL... You would not believe how shocked I was to hear that blessing the first time. My next thought was that we would probably have to go around the table offering a blessing from each person to use up the alloted time. I sat there for a few minutes looking around at people for any sign that there was a false start and the real blessing would resume after a penalty flag.
Finally, after a week or two, I decided that Catholic's just must not like cold meals.
What are you reading into my reply? We pray to know God’s will.
I know catholics are used to "canned debates"and "canned answers"
But I like one on one discussion..
How so?
Holy can mean blessed, full of grace, full of the life of God. I found Mother Theresa to be a holy woman. I know my parents both to be holy people. I find Billy Graham to be a holy person.
All of those are fallen sinners, but they all have grown close to their Lord and Savior and are filled with His grace.
You can't take your definition of holy and assume that's what all people mean by it.
What was the lie that Satan told Eve about partaking the forbidden fruit? Your eyes are open & you're looking with them, but you're not seeing. Satan's lie was still a lie. He chooses whom He will & His choice is just, because He is just. He is not arbitrary & He told us how we can discern those who are probably among the elect.
How do the saints help you to know God’s will?
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