Hope your discernment goes well for you and that you're at peace regardless of your decision.
Posted on 06/05/2007 10:53:58 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
It’s at 5AM here but I leave the TV on EWTN and sometimes wake up and say it.
In many Messianic congregations,b'shem Yah'shua
communion ( with wine and matzoh)
is celebrated on the first shabbat
following the new moon ( Hodesh )
So even though the word means, in the greek, repetitious strongs is pretty accurate and you could always just use a greek dictionary. But because the English words has a double meaning and you want it to mean something youre going to go with your gut?
Look I honestly think saying 100 our fathers is not a sin, there is nothing per se that is wrong with it (IMHO) its just not effective prayer and its the opposite of what Jesus was telling us to do. He said don't pray in public to draw attention pray in private and when you’re there don’t just prattle words to God over and over again because thats what pagans do. I don't even think its bad if you start your morning with an our father *every morning* followed by a more personal prayer, a more deeply thought out prayer.
But to hand someone a rosary and say ‘if you say 10 our fathers it has this significance’ when that time is better spent really meditating on Gods glory your hurting your prayer life one of the strongest part of your relationship to God.
I don't understand how one does not make the Our Father an extremely personal prayer. I mean every word that I say, each time that I say it. It is such a powerful experience to speak to the Father in words Our Savior gave us.
How can you say the Our Father and not have a truly, deeply religious experience?
That is not what was said.
What was stated was; saying it one hundred times at once is just not effective prayer and its the opposite of what Jesus was telling us to do.
The emphasis is on pointing out that repeating it one hundred times or even just ten times is heard no better than saying it only once.
If anyone thinks that they have said a prayer that God hasn't heard from someone else at some time or another, they are deceived. It is all repetition for God. In fact, it is a little conceited to think that your very own prayer is more effective and efficacious than using God's inspired Scripture to pray. The Jews and later the Christians (Catholics) used the Psalms as prayers.
Revelation 4:8-11
8 The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying:
“ Holy, holy, holy,[a] Lord God Almighty, Who was and is and is to come!”
9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying:
11 “ You are worthy, O Lord,[b] To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist[c] and were created.”
I don't know, but I wonder if God has asked them to stop their vain repetition.
For crying out loud there’s whole lot of assuming going on around here about whether somebody’s prayer is done right, or heard right. The Lord is perfectly capable of understanding the prayers of His own, however they come to Him. He’s the great Interpreter of what’s going on and no thanks to us humans who think we can take account about such matters as He can.
I think it’s time to let go and let God do the hearing and the interpreting.
sandy and tiki, pray a Our Father for me in my time of need.
I’ll return the favor.
God bless and pax Christi
ROE
I agree. The rosary is Christological. Why else would His blessed Mother give it to us?
It may not be approved but when my father in law was recovering from bypass surgery I prayed a healing rosary. I meditated on the miracles of healing that Christ performed in the Gospels. Praying the Ave while thinking of Jesus’ loving kindness brought peace to my heart. I had full confidence that Christ would grace those doctors and my father in law to restore him to full health.
Ping to #231
Meditation is precisely what the rosary is. I view the repetition of the prayers, though not without value in themselves, as something of a timing device. They provide a structure to instill discipline in prayer.
When my family gathers for the rosary we usually employ a devotional book that provides subjects for meditation. This evening, we meditated on Judas' betrayal. With our voices united in prayer, and our fingers moving across the beads, our minds contemplated Judas' treachery. We considered how Jesus would rather be scourged by frank enemies than kissed by treacherous friends, how our sins hurt more than the crimes of men who hate Him, how Judas committed two sins, one of betrayal, but the other far graver, that of despair. Realizing what an aweful thing he had done, Judas despaired, and doubted the mercy of God. We also thought about how Judas flung the thirty pieces of silver into the temple, and how we lose God with sin, and lose whatever we prefer to God. And we meditated on how Judas didn't care for Christ's way of reigning on earth. He had listened to Jesus talk about the cross and the blessings of poverty and Judas was disgusted by it. He hanged himself. By refusing the cross he lost eternal happiness.
Deep stuff, but that is where the rosary leads. Into the depths of the gospel.
:-) I don’t think any prayer is not approved if it is from the heart. There are many ways of saying the Rosary but the most important is keeping Jesus up front and in our thoughts. I think that was a wonderful way to pray the rosary.
We have clocks now and datebooks too often we fit prayer in like a welcome but unexpected guest. Isn’t that a shame? The Rosary and other devotion grab us and say slow down this is God’s place and time. Come worship Him.
Will do and thanks for the gentle reproof.
Gee...and I just gave up using wired rosaries. I now strictly use string rosasries: they last a whole lot longer.
Hope your discernment goes well for you and that you're at peace regardless of your decision.
I do appreciate it.
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