I thought this was a going to be a horse-y story.
Posted on 06/01/2007 5:42:04 AM PDT by pby
SOUTHERN BAPTIST PASTOR RICK WARREN IS PROMOTING APOSTATE ROMAN CATHOLICISM
Those of you already familiar with Apprising Ministries know that not only am I a Southern Baptist pastor but I am also a former Roman Catholic. Here are the “helpful links” from Purpose Driven Catholics at Purpose Driven.com which clearly show Rick Warren is actively promoting apostate Roman Catholicism. For example there’s the Catholic Currier.com
The Catholic Courier, weekly newspaper of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Rochester, New York, was founded by lay Catholics in 1889 as The Catholic Journal... Bishop Matthew H. Clark, leader of the Diocese of Rochester, is both publisher of the Catholic Courier and president of the RCPA. (Online source)
At Purpose Driven Catholics you’ll also find the link to The Georgia Bulletin, the online “Newspaper of the [Roman] Catholic Archdiocese of Atlanta.” And finally there’s Saint Theresa of Avila Parish – The Mother Roman Catholic Church of Southeast Washington named after the so-called “Christian” mystic and Carmelite nun Teresa of Avila. We’re told there that Father Ray East is the “grandson of Baptist missionaries to South Africa,” and he “has served in six Washington parishes before being named director of the Office of Black Catholics and Vicar for Evangelization.” (Online source)
That’s right, above we see that America’s Mega-Pastor Rick Warren, a Southern Baptist “evangelical,” is providing as a helpful link the church for the Vicar for Evangelization in the Office of Black [Roman] Catholics. It should become obvious now that Warren is promoting the Roman Catholic Church as just another Christian denomination. Let me now draw your attention to an interesting piece from the July 21, 2003 edition of USA Today called “This evangelist has a ‘Purpose’” By Cathy Lynn Grossman. Within this article America’s favorite Mega-Pastor and Purpose Driven Pope Rick Warren says, “I couldn’t care less about people coming to see me; I just want to build an army of the faithful.”
Grossman then tells us how, “Rick Warren aimed to first build one great church, then show others how to build theirs.” A noble idea but as one can clearly see here “showing others how to build” their churches is not limited to actual Christian churches even though:
Warren is part of the ultra-conservative Southern Baptist Convention, and all his senior staff sign on to the SBC’s doctrines, such as the literal and infallible Bible and exclusion of women as senior pastors. Yet Warren’s pastor-training programs welcome Catholics, Methodists, Mormons, Jews and ordained women. “I’m not going to get into a debate over the non-essentials. I won’t try to change other denominations. Why be divisive?” he asks, citing as his model Billy Graham, “a statesman for Christ ministering across barriers.” (Online source)
Now please understand no one is saying that Rick Warren considers the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons) as a Christian denomination. But when Warren says, “I’m not going to get into a debate over the non-essentials,” while he is working to help Mormons build bigger churches, I do think we need to ask whether these “non-essentials” in Warren’s mind now include basic Mormon doctrine. Doctrine taught in this non-Christian cult such as God was once a man, Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan, and in fact man himself can become God.
Then Warren goes on to say, “I won’t try to change other denominations. Why be divisive?” However, the thinking Christian will find it most peculiar that this evangelical “Protestant” openly embraces apostate Roman Catholicism as just another Christian denomination since this is the polar opposite from the Protestant Reformers. That said, we do get an inkling as to where Warren developed his ecumenical emphasis as we consider that he was mentored by Robert Schuller and then above Warren cites “as his model Billy Graham, ‘a statesman for Christ ministering across barriers.’”
As I have previously pointed out in my article Billy Graham’s Apostasy Is Older Than You Think:
Oct. 29th 1963 Dr. Graham admitted to the 'Daily Journal' of International Falls, Minn., that at a Graham Crusade in San Paulo Brazil the Roman Catholic Bishop stood beside him and blessed the converts as they came forward. Graham said that this illustrated 'something tremendous, an awakening of reform and revival within Christianity' was happening. ('New York Times' Nov. 9th, 1963). (Online source)
So we can see that from as early as 1963 Billy Graham, another Southern Baptist who turned his back on the Reformers, was already “ministering across barriers.” Or how about the following oxymoron, which is true for both the iconic Graham and the waffling Warren himself: “Compromising for Christ.” And we see another example of Rick Warren’s compromise brought to our attention by Tamara Hartzell while talking about his new reformation of “deeds not creeds” in her book In The Name of Purpose. Hartzell shares this Warren quote from the Pittsburg Post-Gazette:
“Now I don’t agree with everything in everybody’s denomination, including my own. I don’t agree with everything that Catholics do or Pentecostals do, but what binds us together is so much stronger than what divides us,” he said. I really do feel these people are brothers and sisters in God’s family. I am looking to build bridges with the Orthodox Church, looking to build bridges with the Catholic Church,... (Online source, emphasis added)
I have pointed out elsewhere that I haven’t been going to SBC meetings so I hadn’t realized that apparently those letters now stand for “Slowly Becoming Catholic.” And so now can someone please explain to me how the Southern Baptist denomination, allegedly one of the largest “Protestant” denominations in the world, says absolutely nothing while one its most prominent pastors is actively promoting apostate Roman Catholicism and even helping them to build bigger churches.
Do we seriously think that God is going to bless the SBC while no one says anything while this kind of purpose driven lunacy in the Lord’s Name is going on?
Posted by Ken Silva, pastor-teacher at May 18, 2007 11:44 PM
Copyright © 2007 by Ken Silva. All rights reserved.
So, there is controversy over which way to worship the Lord?
For clarification, I believe “apostate” is in apposition to “Roman Catholicism.” The author is not implying that there is currently a Roman Catholicism which, evaluated Biblically, is not apostate.
I think just about everyone has strayed to one degree or another.
That is why we are commanded to contend for the faith.
Did I do something wrong?
Apparently the author considers Teresa of Avila not to have been a Christian. That says more about him than it does about her.
Clearly Catholics have significantly different doctrines than Southern Baptists, Evangelicals, Mormons and Jews, and vis versa.
Who cares? People of all cultures who have clinically died and approached “God” and come back to tell have never claimed he told them to go to hell if they were apostate Catholics, Methodists, Buddhists, or any of a hundred other faiths. There is one road to God, but it is not a narrow one-lane country path.
For Pete’s sake, doesn’t this Ken Silva have anything bigger to worry about on the religious front than other Christian denominations? Like...oh...the ROP?
Oh, and I’ll add — just looked at this dingleberry’s website. He’s running quite the little hate group over there. I wonder how God feels about Christian ministers who make it their life’s work to bash other Christian denominations? I can’t imagine He feels too kindly about it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
Rick Warren is turning into quite the epic figure. I’m starting to wonder if he really exists, or if he’s just been invented by a batch of toons so they’ll have a target for their bile.
Maybe he’s Karl Rove’s second front ...
maybe he is Karl Rove's second front.
He looks a little like Karl, in his pictures. (Assuming Karl is really himself in *his* pictures ...)
More hair, but that’s easily arranged.
You may be on to something, here!
Obviously he hasn’t really read the works of St. Teresa of Avila or he would know better.
I’m convinced that if Silva can show this kind of ignorance that it puts anything else that he writes under a cloud.
** but I am also a former Roman Catholic.**
Didn’t know this about him.
I daresay he is still a Catholic.
I thought this was a going to be a horse-y story.
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