Posted on 05/22/2007 6:24:41 PM PDT by NYer
in the orthodox parish we attend covering is strongly encouraged (and there’s a box of shawls for anyone unware) we still get a few who don’t.
i see absolutely no reason for this. my wife (who’s from Russia) thought it was insignifigant when she first came here but after reading the scripture concured there’s not really any way to read it differently. she’s a pretty staunch advocate now.
Whenever Christmas and Easter Mass was approaching the hats would become conspicuous in the Bamberger, Kresge and Penny window displays.
Dad would sit quietly with us boys and whenever Mom didn't seem able to make a decision we would do the "old change hat routine" immortalized by the Stooges!
Of course we couldn.t wear a hat in the church cause Mother Superior said that God could look through the top of our head and read our soul!!!
Some people obviosuly think imitating heretics is "progress."
well. those folks ar inspired by someone for whom hersy IS progress.
They still put the mantilla on in the old countries. Some still do here particularly if they’re immigrants or daughters of immigrants. I think it’s a lovely custom for the women, I wish I can see it more- it shows a little bit of tradition.
I’m one of those crazy ladies that tend to wear hats to church....The more liberal the service, the more I am likely to wear it...
I suspect that the fact that women (and to some degree men) have gone basically hatless for close to 40 years has had a great impact on the cultural significance of head covering, for the most part anyway.
I was raised Missionary Baptist, and it was an issue. If you were a child it wasn't necessary, but as an adult you better have something on your head. Didn't matter if it was a hat or a lacy handkerchief, but it better be something or the Womens Group really got ugly with each other.
Unless you filled out a lot of paperwork, I bet you are still a Catholic. We welcome you back with open arms. All it takes in sitting down and talking with a priest and then making an appointment for the Sacrament of Reconciliation — what used to be known as Confession.
My daughter likes to wear a mantilla when in church. When we’re visiting another parish in the area (St. Mary Mother of God, the National Shrine, the Franciscan Monastary, etc.), she always does so.
She says that she doesn’t do so at our home parish, though, she tells me, because she doesn’t want to be the object of teasing by her peers.
I bring this up not because of some innate desire to share details of my personal life, but because I wonder if that isn’t sort-of representative. In other words, I wonder how much peer pressure is an influence on this modern style of women going bare-headed into church.
Christianity is, by its very nature, supposed to be counter-cultural. Unfortunately, as others have noted, all too often it is a reflection of our society...the good and the bad.
Perhaps those of us who can have some influence on the messages preached should encourage those who do the preaching to do so on the subject of courage...because in today’s society, we could see the mantilla not only a a symbol of modesty and humility, we could see it as a symbol of courage...
You sound a lot like the immature adolescent who left in a huff uttering numerous profanities when I told him he couldn't wear his doo rag into the sanctuary a few weeks ago.
Oh, you should get the DVD. It has lots of background as well as the movie.
The covering was just following "the ways of the Church". After going to a private Catholic High School and listening to the anti-Jewish and anti-Protestant propaganda, I pretty much left the church.
Oh, by the way, we were told that all Catholics were obligated to vote for Kennedy because he "was better" just because he was Catholic. (I got sent to detention for disagreeing).
My dad straightened me out on the Kennedy family with the story of Old Joe, the bootlegger.
I have my faith...It's in my heart and soul.
That’s pretty much the reason why I refuse to set foot in to most protestant churches particularly fundamentalist ones.
“Man” refers to humanity, hence both male and female. (Remember, “male and female He made them”?) So in this context, “man” refers to you, too, and all women.
Well, just to give my humble opinion :) I can’t think of anything more shallow than this issue in our times. WOW, aren’t there more important things than this?
I do agree, one must dress appropriately for Mass. I never wear pants, although there are several women in choir who rarely if ever wear a dress. And you have to admit, our Protestant bretheren have it all over us Catholics in that regard, wouldn’t you agree? Also, as a side note, the muslims have now contaminated the whole idea of a reverant head covering for women. Just reminds me of humiliating subjugation of women, violence and hatred toward women, with no kind of spiritual meaning whatsoever, anymore, for that custom
After reading the many responses I have to think that the dropping of head coverings is a American phenomenon. When I was in Europe two years ago it seemed common, in pictures I’ve seen of places like China and Poland it seems common.
I think it’s an American thing, you’ll often see immigrant women with head coverings, (Orthodox Churches as well), while Americanized women won’t personal.
I know my girlfriend likes wearing the veil when we go the the TLM, but it just doesn’t seem to “fit” in the modern Liturgy.
I also have to wonder if the intent of the secondary issue in this article - seperating men and women was designed to be focused on unmarried men and women for the purpose of modesty given that Theologically (Catholic Theology at least) you become one at the point of marriage and therefore it would only seem proper that they be together in Church.
Perhaps you could find an article on that issue.
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