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Card. Castrillon (Ecclesia Dei) to CELAM: the time has come
What Does the Prayer Really Say ^ | March 17, 2007 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 05/17/2007 8:07:08 AM PDT by Frank Sheed

CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 8:43 am

His Eminence Darío Card. Castrillón Hoyos delivered an address at the meeting of CELAM in Brazil.

Here are some of the good bits. My emphases. The less than smooth translation is not mine. I have fixed it in a couple places only.

Dear and venerated brothers:

I afford to present a brief report on the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei and on the state of the pastoral reality that the Holy Father has put under its competence.

...

Undoubtedly, the most important determination, which concerns the whole Church, is the search of putting an end to the schismatic action and reconstructing without ambiguities, full communion. The Holy Father, who was for some years a member of this Commission, wants that it become an organism of the Holy See with the proper and distinct purpose of maintaining and preserving the value of the traditional Latin liturgy. But it is necessary to affirm with all clarity that it is not an issue of turning back, of a return to the times previous to the reform of 1970. It is an issue, on the other hand, of a generous offer of the Christ’s Vicar who, as expression of his pastoral will, wants to put at the disposal of the Church all the treasures of the Latin liturgy that for centuries has nourished the spiritual life of so many generations of the catholic faithful. The Holy Father wants to preserve the immense spiritual, cultural and aesthetic treasures tied to the ancient liturgy. The recovery of this wealth joins to the no less beautiful of the current liturgy of the Church.

For these reasons the Holy Father has the intention of extending to the whole Latin Church the possibility of celebrating the Holy Mass and the Sacraments according to the liturgical books promulgated by Blessed John XXIII in 1962. For this liturgy, which was never abolished, and that, as we have said, is considered a treasure, a new and renewed interest exists today and also for this reason the Holy Father thinks that the time has come to facilitate, as the first Commission Cardenalicia had wanted it in 1986, the access to this liturgy, doing of her an extraordinary form of the only Roman rite.

There are some good experiences of communities of religious or apostolic life erected by the Holy See recently that celebrate in peace and serenity this liturgy. Around them there congregate assemblies of the faithful who frequent these celebrations with happiness and gratitude. The most recent erections are the Institute of Saint Felipe Neri in Berlin, which works as an Oratory and has become present also, with good reception, in the Diocese of Treveris; the Institute of Good Shepherd in Burdeos who gather priests, seminarians and faithful, some of them that have gone out of the Fraternity of San Pío X. The steps are very advanced for the recognition of a contemplative community, the Oasis of Jesús Sacerdote, in Barcelona.

In Latin America, since it is well-known, we must be grateful to the Lord for the return of a whole Diocese, that of Campos, earlier a Lefebvrian one, that now after five years, presents good fruits. It has been a pacific comeback and the faithful who have registered in the Apostolic Administration are glad to be able to live in peace in his parochial communities; even more, in fact some Brazilian dioceses have made contacts with the Apostolic Administration of Campos that has put at their disposal priests for the pastoral care of the traditionalist faithful in local churches. The project of the Holy Father has been already partially proved in Campos, where the pacific cohabitation of two forms of the only Roman rite in the Church is a beautiful reality. [YES!! side by side! Peaceful!] We have the hope that such a model produces good fruits, also in other places of the Church where both catholic faithful live with liturgical diverse sensibilities. And we hope, also, that such a way of living together should attract also those traditionalists who are still far.

The current members of the Commission are the Cardinals Julián Herranz, Jean-Pierre Ricard, William Joseph Levada, Antonio Cañizares, and Franc Rodé. The Undersecretaries of some Dicasterios are consultants.

Till now several dispersed communities in the world have been under Ecclesia Dei. 300 priests, 79 religious men, 300 religious women, 200 seminarians and several hundreds of thousands of faithful. Curiously, the interest of the young people in France, the United States, Brazil, Italy, Scandinavia, Australia and China are increasing. Since the moment of the return of Campos, 50 priests have passed, approximately fifty seminarians, 100 religious ones and 25.000 faithful.

Today the group of the lefevrist consists of 4 Bishops who were ordained by Mons. Lefebvre, of 500 priests and 600.000 faithful. Joined to the group are several contemplative monasteries and some religious masculine and feminine groups, they have parishes (they call them prioratos), seminars and affiliations. They are present in 26 countries.

Let’s ask the Lord that this project of the Holy Father could be realized soon for the unity of the Church.


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KEYWORDS: ecclesiadei; mass; tridentine
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1 posted on 05/17/2007 8:07:13 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
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2 posted on 05/17/2007 8:08:15 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad.... Lifelong Irish Papist!)
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Comment by Brian on Fr. Z's blog:

“For this liturgy, which was never abolished”

Has the Vatican ever stated this in such an outright fashion?!?

3 posted on 05/17/2007 8:13:09 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad.... Lifelong Irish Papist!)
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To: Frank Sheed
Has the Vatican ever stated this in such an outright fashion?!?

It may not have been as outright, but didn't Card. Castrillon say the same thing in his homily during the TLM he celebrated at the Basilica of St. Mary Major in 2004?

4 posted on 05/17/2007 8:21:24 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Frank Sheed; ELS

I seem to remember that the commission that was responsible for looking at this question (and I think Hoyos was on it)...came to that conclusion in an official capacity, and I don’t believe its findings were ever vacated or abrogated.

It’s just been ignored...for obvious reasons. ;)


5 posted on 05/17/2007 8:29:13 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Frank Sheed; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
And from Amy Wellborn's blog ........


May 17, 2007

MP News

It's coming, says Cardinal Hoyas to CELAM:

The top Vatican official in charge of use of the Tridentine Mass has confirmed that Pope Benedict XVI “intends to extend to the entire church the possibility of celebrating the Mass and the sacraments according to the liturgical books promulgated by Pope John XXIII in 1962.” Those books contain the last approved version of the older "Latin Mass" celebrated prior to the Second Vatican Council (1962-65), as well as rites for sacraments such as baptism and holy orders.

The remarks from Cardinal Darío Castrillón Hoyos, President of the Ecclesia Dei Commission, came in an address to the Fifth General Conference of the Bishops of Latin America and the Caribbean.

The older Tridentine liturgy, according to Castrillón, “was never abolished,” and is today the object of both “new and renewed interest.” For these reasons, Castrillón said, the pope believes the time has come to facilitate wider access to this rite, noting that such a request was made by a commission of cardinals in 1986.

For some months now, speculation has swirled that Pope Benedict XVI is planning to extend wider permission for use of the older Mass, in the form of a document called a motu proprio, meaning “under his own authority.”

Castrillón’s speech at the CELAM meeting marks the first time the cardinal has publicly confirmed that such a move is imminent. Castrillón said that under the terms of the pope’s decision, the older liturgies will become “an extraordinary form of the one Roman rite.”

Castrillón did not provide additional details, such as how sweeping authorization to use the older liturgical books will be, nor whether individual bishops will still be able to place limits on their use, as is the case under current church law. Nor did Castrillón provide a specific date for when the pope’s decision will be released.

“This is a generous offering by the Vicar of Christ, who, as an expression of his pastoral will, wants to make available to the church all the treasures of the Latin liturgy, which, through the centuries, have nourished the spiritual life of so many generations of the Catholic faithful,” Castrillón said.

Castrillón also said that Benedict XVI wants the Ecclesia Dei Commission to become a permanent agency of the Roman Curia, with the purpose of conserving and maintaining the value of the older Latin liturgies.


6 posted on 05/17/2007 8:36:05 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: livius
Here is the transcript in Spanish from the CELAM site. Did the translation that Fr. Z. excerpted leave anything significant out?
7 posted on 05/17/2007 8:40:20 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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Rorate Caeli Blog (with more commentary):

Aparecida Notes: Castrillón to Bishops of Latin America
Pope wishes to “extend the possible use of the 1962 books to all Latin Church”

Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos, President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei and a member of the Fifth General Conference of Latin American Bishops, delivered the following address yesterday in Aparecida (in Spanish):

Card. Darío Castrillón Hoyos
President Ecclesia Dei
Aparecida, May 14, 2007

[Delivered in Aparecida, May 16, 2007]

Dear and Venerable Brothers,

I allow myself to present a brief information on the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei and on the state of the pastoral reality which the Holy Father has placed under its competence.

This Commission was created by the Servant of God John Paul II in 1988, when a notable group of priests, religious, and faithful, who had made manifest their discontent with the Conciliar liturgical reform and who had congregated themselves under the leadership of French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, separated themselves from him because they were not in agreement with the schismatic action of the ordination of Bishops without the appropriate pontifical mandate. They preferred, therefore, to stay in full union with the Church. The Holy Father, by way of the Motu Proprio Ecclesia Dei Adflicta, entrusted the pastoral care of these Traditionalist faithful to this Commission.

Nowadays, the activity of the Commission is not limited to the service of those faithful who, at that time, wished to remain in full communion with the Church, nor to the efforts made to put an end to the painful schismatic situation and to attain the return of these brothers of the Saint Pius X fraternity to full communion. By the will of the Holy Father, this Dicastery extends its service, moreover, to satisfy the just aspirations of those who, due to a particular sensibility, and not having kept links to the above-mentioned groups, wish to keep alive the ancient Latin Liturgy in the celebration of the Eucharist and of the other Sacraments.

Undoubtedly, the most important effort, which concerns the entire Church, is the search for an end to the schismatic action and to rebuild the full communion, without ambiguities. The Holy Father, who was for some years a member of this Commission, wishes it to become an organ of the Holy See with the proper and distinct end of preserving and maintaining the worth of the Traditional Latin Liturgy. Yet it must be said with all clarity that it is not a turning back, a return to the time before the 1970 reform. It is, instead, a generous offer of the Vicar of Christ who, as an expression of his pastoral will, wishes to put at the disposal of the whole Church all the treasures of the Latin Liturgy which for centuries has nourished the spiritual life of so many generations of Catholic faithful.The Holy Father wishes to preserve the immense spiritual, cultural, and aesthetic treasures linked to the Ancient Liturgy. The retrieval of this wealth is linked to the no less precious one of the current Liturgy of the Church.

For these reasons, the Holy Father has the intention of extending to the entire Latin Church the possibility of celebrating Holy Mass and the Sacraments according to the liturgical books promulgated by Blessed John XXIII in 1962. There is today a new and renewed interest for this liturgy, which has never been abolished and which, as we have said, is considered a treasure, and also for this reason [the interest] the Holy Father believes that the time has come to ease, as the first Cardinalatial Commission of 1986 had wished to do, the access to this liturgy, making it an extraordinary form of the one Roman Rite.

There are good experiences of communities of religious or apostolic life recently erected by the Holy See which celebrate this liturgy in peace and serenity. Groups of faithful who attend these celebrations with joy and gratitude assemble around them. The most recent establishments are the Institute of Saint Philip Neri, in Berlin, which functions as an Oratory, and which is also present, and well received, in the Diocese of Trier; the Institute of the Good Shepherd, of Bordeaux, which gathers together priests, seminarians, and faithful, some of them from the Fraternity of Saint Pius X. The proceedings for the recognition of a contemplative community, the Oasis of Jesus Priest, of Barcelona, are well advanced.

In Latin America, as is well known, we must thank the Lord for the return of a whole diocese, that of Campos, Lefebvrian in the past, which now, after five years, presents good fruits. It was a peaceful return and the faithful who have enrolled themselves in the Apostolic Administration are glad to be able to live in peace in their parochial communities; furthermore, in effect, some Brazilian dioceses have made contacts with the Campos Apostolic Administration, which has placed priests at their disposal for the pastoral care of the Traditionalist faithful in their local churches. The Holy Father’s project has been partly proved in Campos, where the peaceful cohabitation of the forms of the only Roman Rite in the Church is a beautiful reality. We have the hope that this model will yield good fruits, also in other places of the Church where Catholic faithful with diverse liturgical sensibilities live together. And we hope, furthermore, that this way of living together will also attract those Traditionalists which still remain far away.

The current members of the Commission are Cardinals Julián Herranz, Jean-Pierre Ricard, William Joseph Levada, Antonio Cañizares, and Franc Rodé. Its consultants are the Undersecretaries of some Dicasteries.

Several communities spread throughout the world have been up to now under Ecclesia Dei. 300 priests, 79 religious men, 300 religious women, 200 seminarians, and several hundreds of thousands of faithful. The interest of the young curiously increases in France, the United States, Brazil, Italy, Scandinavia, Australia, and China. At the moment of its return, 50 priests, around 50 seminarians, 100 religious women, and 25,000 faithful came from Campos.

Today, the group of the Lefebvrians includes 4 Bishops who were ordained by Mons. Lefebvre, 500 priests, and 600,000 faithful. Several contemplative monasteries, and some male and female religious groups have joined the group, which has parishes (they call them priories), seminaries, and associations. They are present in 26 countries.

Let us ask the Lord that this project of the Holy Father may soon be accomplished for the unity of the Church.
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There are, naturally, several extremely important aspects in the Cardinal’s address in Aparecida. For those who remained skeptical (are there any left?), another confirmation of the Holy Father’s determined will to “extend to the entire Latin Church” the celebration of Holy Mass (and all other Sacraments) according to the 1962 liturgical books. While that merely confirms the clear words of Cardinal Bertone, it is quite an improvement for Castrillón who until very recently still presented the matter as probable, not as certain — as he clearly does in his Aparecida speech.

The address also confirms, for those who still had any doubts about its existence and findings (which had been confirmed by one of its members, but in a more informal setting), that the Cardinalatial Commission of 1986 recommended that the restrictions on the Traditional Rite of the Church be eased. Naturally, it is extremely frustrating to once again see that such an important step could have been taken 21 years ago, and could have preserved so many priests and faithful from so much pain...

Nonetheless, Pope Benedict seems quite determined to accomplish this which could be the most important act of his pontificate: the establishment (out of his own will, motu proprio) of a clear legal framework for the “Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite”.


8 posted on 05/17/2007 8:53:19 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad.... Lifelong Irish Papist!)
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To: Frank Sheed; livius

Thanks for posting the full translation.


9 posted on 05/17/2007 8:58:41 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: sitetest; AnAmericanMother

This is from the New Liturgical Movement:

http://thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/2007/05/motu-proprio-imminent-says-castrillon.html

By the way, for those interested in Chant, there is a marvelous post today on the Feast of the Ascension. Well worth the look-see!


10 posted on 05/17/2007 9:02:05 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad.... Lifelong Irish Papist!)
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To: Frank Sheed; sitetest; AnAmericanMother

11 posted on 05/17/2007 9:05:54 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480

“Men of Galilee, what are you standing there for dumbstruck and gazing up into the heavens?”


12 posted on 05/17/2007 9:19:08 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Frank Sheed
For these reasons the Holy Father has the intention of extending to the whole Latin Church the possibility of celebrating the Holy Mass and the Sacraments according to the liturgical books promulgated by Blessed John XXIII in 1962.

Wait a minute. I just had a thought. I think I know what he's getting at here.

I believe he's saying........yes.......yes......of course! That's it!! There could be a "Universal Indult" coming out sometime in the future!!!!

Amazing!!

Pass the word........this could be big.........

13 posted on 05/17/2007 9:24:09 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: AnAmericanMother

Exactly. ;-)


14 posted on 05/17/2007 9:28:47 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: ELS
didn't Card. Castrillon say the same thing in his homily during the TLM he celebrated at the Basilica of St. Mary Major

May 24, 2004:

The rite of Saint Pius V cannot be considered to be extinct and the Authority of the Holy Father has expressed his benevolent recognition of the faithful who, though recognizing the legitimacy of the roman rite renewed according to the indications of the Second Vatican Council, remain attached to the preceding rite and find in it valuable spiritual nourishment in their journey of sanctification. On the other hand, the same Second Vatican Council declared that " . . . Holy Mother Church considers as having equal rights and honor the legitimate recognized rites, and she wills that in the future they be conserved and in every way fostered, and desires that, where it is necessary, they come to be prudently revised in an integral manner in the spirit of holy tradition and come to be given a new vigor according to the circumstances and necessities of our time" (Sacrosanctum Concilium, n. 4)

The ancient roman rite hence conserves in the Church its right of citizenship among the multiformity of Catholic rites, both Latin and Oriental.

15 posted on 05/17/2007 9:41:47 AM PDT by Romulus (Quomodo sedet sola civitas plena populo.)
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To: marshmallow

That would be “HUGH!

;-o)


16 posted on 05/17/2007 10:53:40 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad.... Lifelong Irish Papist!)
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To: ELS
Thanks! No, he got all the significant parts.

I was interested by this comment: Castrillón said that under the terms of the pope’s decision, the older liturgies will become “an extraordinary form of the one Roman rite.”

Yesterday there was a post that mentioned that the Holy Father had actually had second thoughts about distinguishing the two rites as "ordinary" (NO)and "extraordinary" (1962) and was going to drop that distinction, instead treating them as essentially the same Mass but with different Missals. I thought that was a pretty revolutionary approach and would certainly lead to wide use of the Tridentine Rite, because it would then just be an option like any other . Since the NO is filled with options, people are accustomed to this approach. But I haven't seen any other follow up on this idea.

17 posted on 05/17/2007 11:03:18 AM PDT by livius
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To: Frank Sheed

Here in San Francisco there is a Latin Mass (11:45)on the first Sunday of every month at Sts Peter & Paul.
I try to not miss it.
The “new” missal is a wonder with the Latin/English format. I love the Latin Mass. Maybe it’s just an emotional tie to something quite old and good.

None of the new priests (younger than 60 or so) ever had to take Latin in the seminary (at least in this country), so fewer and fewer priests CAN say the Mass in Latin. It would be such a shame if it were to disappear. This is a hopeful sign.


18 posted on 05/17/2007 12:59:20 PM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: livius

I believe I posted this based on something I found on a blog (can’t recall which one). There are so many rumors circulating and even some “sturm und drange” on Amy Wellborn’s blog. Maybe it is good that the Holy Father is allowing the thing to build to a crescendo before releasing this MP.

Some things don’t jive between one speaker and another, I admit. We’ll need to see Pope Benedict’s official take.

F


19 posted on 05/17/2007 1:23:19 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad.... Lifelong Irish Papist!)
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To: starfish923

I’ve been to that Church and it is beautiful inside. It would be perfect for the Latin Mass as well with all that glorious marble.


20 posted on 05/17/2007 1:25:05 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad.... Lifelong Irish Papist!)
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