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1 posted on 05/05/2007 2:26:43 PM PDT by NYer
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wow. I didn't know they could do that.

The left had such great success in taking over so many other institutions inthe free world that it's setting it's sights on the biggie.

Obviously it intends the impeachment of God and the overthrow of Heaven itself.

2 posted on 05/05/2007 2:30:25 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Thank you St. Jude.)
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To: Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
Marie Bouclin is the author of this book.

Book Description
While sexual abuse of minors by clergy in the Catholic Church has received extensive news coverage, less attention has focused on adult women betrayed and sexually abused by priests. Seeking Wholeness shares the stories of women who have been abused and how the abuse has affected their lives. Marie Bouclin not only records their accounts, but provides a model of spirituality and social support aimed at promoting their physical and emotional healing.

As Bouclin recounts, even women therapists, spiritual counselors, and pastoral personnel working within the Catholic Church find themselves targets of clergy sexual abuse. Bouclin describes some of the conflicted psychological dynamics these women experience.

Critical of the current, hierarchical model of Catholic priesthood, Bouclin offers an alternative approach based on the person and mission of Jesus. She explores the power of reading Scripture and sharing personal prayer in small-group faith communities. By doing so, she shows the paths women who have been sexually abused by priests can take to healing and wholeness.


Taking the plunge into 'ordination' should prove to be a self fulfilling prophecy :-)

3 posted on 05/05/2007 2:30:32 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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Marie Bouclin says she will be one of three women who will PRETEND TO be ordained Roman Catholic priests in Toronto in a ceremony that will not be recognized by the church.

 

Fixed it.

4 posted on 05/05/2007 2:33:02 PM PDT by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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That’s nothing. Today I declared my English Mastiff a house cat. At 175 lbs he shows no interest in climbing trees and my wife doesn’t like the idea of him going in a litter box, but that is just repressing me in my right to declare him a house cat.
SO, all must say “kitty kitty” to him from now on.

By the way tomorrow the sun will rise in the West and liberals will have common sense.

6 posted on 05/05/2007 2:34:14 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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10 posted on 05/05/2007 4:01:42 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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Yaaaawn.

I just named myself Pope, oh and I named myself president too. Maybe I’ll be king next week.


11 posted on 05/05/2007 4:11:58 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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Has anyone else noticed that these women who know for an absolute fact that God has called each one of them personally to rescue the Catholic Church,

all have . . . how to say it . . . a certain "look" about them?

Like, totally nuts?

12 posted on 05/05/2007 4:52:39 PM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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Bishop Patricia Fresen from Germany will ordain Bouclin and the others, who are from the United States.

Bishop A woman named Patricia Fresen from Germany will ordain imitate ordination rites and seemingly ordain Bouclin and the others, who are from the United States. There, that's better.

14 posted on 05/05/2007 5:53:02 PM PDT by fortunecookie (My computer is back!)
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Also, for the first time, a married man will be ordained in a public ceremony by the movement. -snip- Brassard said the group started in 2002 and since then, 14 women priests in the United States and one in Canada have been ordained and more are on the way.

and

She said the Eucharist (receiving communion) is the most important aspect of church life. However, "we are losing the Eucharist for lack of priests."

Apparently, for their group, 'fixing' the problem does not include ordaining unmarried men or encouraging vocations among unmarried men. But rather ordaining women and married men. Sigh.

15 posted on 05/05/2007 5:57:32 PM PDT by fortunecookie (My computer is back!)
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Bishop Patty and Father Marie will have some ‘splainin” to do at death. Hey, I say a fish is a dog....doesn’t make it so.....except in liberal circles.


16 posted on 05/05/2007 6:03:06 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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I see a wide gap between the teachings of the Gospel and the legalism of the current church leadership.

Golly, there's an original point of view.

18 posted on 05/05/2007 7:01:26 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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Welcome to the Twilight Zone!


19 posted on 05/05/2007 7:03:54 PM PDT by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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Marie Bouclin says she will be one of three women who will be ordained Roman Catholic priests in Toronto in a ceremony that will not be recognized by the church.

Translation: She is being ordained as a Protestant minister in a brand new Protestant sect.

20 posted on 05/05/2007 7:03:54 PM PDT by Polybius
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Poor sick woman, we can only pray for her and the band of nitwits helping her.


23 posted on 05/06/2007 4:10:41 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (The Islamists plans to kill us and the Democrats are helping them.)
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Bishop Jean-Louis Plouffe, bishop of the Diocese of Sault Ste. Marie, said he respects Bouclin's passion for her faith.

Wrong answer Jean-Louis. You need to forcefully denounce this heretic for what she is. Can you imagine Bruskewitz coddling this nut.

24 posted on 05/06/2007 9:03:16 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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John Paul II and the Gift of Clarity

BY MOST REV. CHARLES J. CHAPUT, O.F.M. Cap. CAP.

4 June 1997

Later this week, the Catholic Theological Society of America (CTSA) will meet in Minneapolis/St. Paul. Its members will receive and discuss a report on "Tradition and the Ordination of Women." The CTSA has played a valuable role in American Catholic intellectual life. But it has also reached a critical juncture, and this document only harms its credibility. Let me explain why.

Every person in the pew knows that we need more priests. While priestly vocations continue to thrive in Africa and Asia, nearly all of the developed countries face a shortage. Two reasons suggest themselves.

First, some would argue that the Holy Spirit, by withholding vocations, is telling us something new—for example, that we need to open the priesthood to women and married men. This has been a theme of U.S. Catholic debate for nearly 20 years, and we shouldn't be surprised. The political culture of any country sooner or later leaves its mark on the religious life of its citizens. Americans have strong assumptions about political equality. Gender issues have moved to the center of our thinking about equality as traditional structures of work and family have changed.

But there's another, and in my view more honest, way of understanding the vocations shortage. The Holy Spirit is calling forth plenty of vocations, but we're not hearing the call. We let the noise of daily life get in the way. Parents don't really encourage their children to think about priestly or religious service. And we've lost the vocabulary we need to listen to God when He speaks to us. It's true that we've prayed publicly for years for more vocations. But prayer implies that we will conform our actions to our words. And too often our actions as Catholic people have given mixed messages about vocations. We want priestly vocations . . . but we no longer seem sure of what that means, and we're much less inclined to make the sacrifices vocations require.

One of Pope John Paul II's great gifts to the Church has been his clarity as a teacher in the aftermath of Vatican II. He's written powerfully about the rights and dignity of women, the importance of the family, and the Christian -- as opposed to the purely secular—meaning of human equality. The Church is a community of persons with equal dignity, but different and complementary callings. She is not just a collection of interchangeable selves and functions.

When John Paul spoke about women and the priesthood in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis (1994) his message was clear. The Church cannot and will not ordain women to the priesthood. He worded his teaching in such a way as to close the matter for further debate, and thus conclude a long theological discussion that had begun to create serious confusion among laypeople. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith reaffirmed his teaching in a response to the original papal document the following year.

The most recent CTSA report says that it "does not intend to present arguments for or against the ordination of women." But then it proceeds to raise questions about the authority of this teaching for the rest of its lengthy text. None of the CTSA's points are finally persuasive. And many members of the CTSA will be frustrated by the misuse of their time for yet another discussion of this issue. But the fact remains that some people will be misled by the CTSA document's content, and the news media are unlikely to overlook a good controversy.

For members of the CTSA to revisit this teaching at such a late date, when so many other urgent issues face the Church, is more than just disappointing. It will not solve the vocations problem. It creates unnecessary and belated confusion. And it raises questions about the CTSA's continuing usefulness for the life of the Church. As a bishop, it is certainly my counsel and hope that the CTSA will retire this document as briskly as possible.

25 posted on 05/06/2007 3:56:29 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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