Skip to comments.Pope says hell and damnation are real and eternal
Posted on 03/28/2007 4:32:53 AM PDT by MarkBsnr
HELL is a place where sinners really do burn in an everlasting fire, and not just a religious symbol designed to galvanise the faithful, Pope Benedict XVI has said. Addressing a parish gathering in a northern suburb of Rome, the Pope said that in the modern world many people, including some believers, had forgotten that if they failed to "admit blame and promise to sin no more", they risked "eternal damnation - the inferno". Hell "really exists and is eternal, even if nobody talks about it much any more". The Pope, who as cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was head of Catholic doctrine, noted that "forgiveness of sins" for those who repented was a cornerstone of Christian belief. He recalled that Jesus had forgiven the "woman taken in adultery" and prevented her from being stoned to death, observing: "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." God had given men and women free will to choose whether "spontaneously to accept salvation...the Christian faith is not imposed on anyone, it is a gift, an offer to mankind". Vatican officials said the Pope - who is also the Bishop of Rome - had been speaking in "straightforward" language "like a parish priest". He had wanted to reinforce the new Catholic catechism, which holds that hell is a "state of eternal separation from God", to be understood "symbolically rather than physically". Agostino Paravicini Bagliani, a church historian, said the Pope was "right to remind us that hell is not something to be put on one side" as an inconvenient or embarrassing aspect of belief. It was described by St Matthew as a place of "everlasting fire" (Matthew xxv, 41).
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The media seems to think it's news when the Pope says he believes the Bible.
In their iopinion, it's quaint.
Hell is a place?
Hmm. Good point.
I'm going to have to look at his actual speech.
Pretty sure the Pope isn't espousing Annihilationism. What else do you envision Hell being, besides a "place"?
I find it amusing that many folks who poopoo the notion of Hell are usually familiar with the nature of black holes ... where time is stretched into infinity at the horizon of a star (hot, don'tchaknow) with such powerful gravity that even light will not escape it, where being inside would allow viewing of what is outside but outside cannot see inside.
Then we should speak of Hells, not Hell, and acknowledge that there must be billions of places that qualify as "hell."
Your theory would make Hell(s) temporary, as black holes are not permanent, eternal structures in the created finite, universe.
You treat spiritual separation from God as a physical "place" where God isn't, and subject that which is spiritual (i.e. love) to gravitational laws!spiritual!
If Hell is a "place" then it is part of a created universe where God is not!
Besides, God did create hell (eternal lake of fire) -- for the devil and his angels, who are noëtic beings without a body.
What would real fire and a real lake do to evil spirits? Why would there be a physical place for spiritual beings? Why would there be "real" (material) fire for that which is not material?
Which part don't you understand?
Understand? I didn't missunderstand, I was questioning your projection of so much motive.
Seriously ... Do you think Heaven and Hell exist in space and time, the same as (let us say) Chicago? Do the terms of physical the physical realm really apply to the spiritual realm?
Here is an article that makes it clear it is not a Catholic or Orthodox doctrine to consider hell a "place." From the source:
My motive? I was responding to this ridiculous association of yours that somehow hell is a 'place' identical with a black hole.
My point exactly.
Nicely put. I wonder what the New Testament free thinker types would make of this.
This is a poorly written, fallacious opening sentence. In fact, it's contradicted by the pope later on in the text. He says that hell is not a literal "place", but a state of existence in which man is totally and eternally seperated from God. He also doesn't say that they physically "burn" there, either. The author of this article is a moron.
I couldn't agree more.
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