Posted on 03/24/2007 3:10:20 PM PDT by NYer
The Church is Christ's. Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath. He said so himself. Do you deny it?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
But there's no question of changing the law here. The Sabbath Law was part of the old covenant. It never applied to Gentiles, and still doesn't.
You guys are completely illogical. Why do you think you're bound by the Sabbath ("God's law") and not think you're bound by circumcision, kashrut, or the laws against mixing fibers in clothing or cutting your hair? Those are also "God's laws," so why don't you keep them?
Jas 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Gal 5:3-4 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace
Yes or no, and then we can continue.
Your claim that "only one can be true" is false, thus I reject your question as a false dichotomy.
Besides, you don't answer my questions, so why should I answer yours?
I do not know how valid this next statement is so take it with a grain of salt I have been told that the early Christians began to worship on Sunday to blend in with the pagans who worshiped on the day of the Sun. Not to say that they worshiped together but it would be a cover for a meeting.
Can anyone give light to this possibility of the origin of Sunday for Christians?
"Reason and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday or Catholicity and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible." James Cardinal Gibbons, Catholic Mirror, Dec. 23, 1893.
I am trying to not do any servile work on Sundays.....I had let that slide evr since I was young, and then I heard a sermon about it and it re-kindled what I am supposed to do, and it's really been nice. It makes ALL Sunday special.
Wow....not at all accurate!
The 10 commandments are nowhere anywhere in the NT or Christian doctrine.
That law was given to OT Isreal, people who did not have the capability to have ' agape' love. The 10 commandments are for fleshly minded man, not those that walk the walk of agape love. The laws are only rules for sense knowledge man who doesn't understand God's love and the working of holy spirit.
Agape love goes far beyond the law. The law is for sense knowledge man who doesn't know God in his heart.
Thus the 10 Commandments are not for Christians.
Very well done.
Having been in the IT field for over 20 years, I am very much aware of that. :-)
The citation I used is from the NASB version of the bible. It uses caps to identify when a verse is being quoted from the old testament.
Well, seeing as how I used ample scriptural examples to support my viewpoint and you didn't, that means I win. :-)
But I notice that none of what I said was refuted.
God never changed the Sabbath....man did! Error immediately began creeping into the early church and by the time it had gained some respectability....and recognition (Nicaea) 325 A.D., it was a different Church from that the Apostles had given us at Pentecost.
Many Christians were still celebrating the Sabbath on the seventh day and special canons had to be written and enforced to prevent this practice from continuing. The Church by that time had officially declared the Pagan Roman Day of the Sun (Sunday)...(Sol Invictus) to be the official day of worship for the new Imperial State Church sanctioned by Constantine.
Nicaea took place in 325 A.D. and yet by 364 A.D. at the Council of Laodicea you will see these canons published requiring Christians not to associate with or celebrate the Sabbath with the Jews.
Canon #XXIX deals with the abolishment of the Sabbath as the day of worship.
Forty years earlier, at Nicaea the church in it's anti-Jewishness moved the celebration of Passover to the first Sunday after Passover and began calling it Easter. Yes...the early church still celebrated Passover on the 14th of Nisan as the scriptures directed. [Leviticus 23] This move laid the groundwork for much more Anti-Jewishness in future councils.....such as the Council of Antioch (341 A.D.). This council absolutely forbade Christians from celebrating Passover with the Jews.
Polycrates, an early Church Father (130-196 A.D.) was a disciple of Polycarp, the Bishop of Smyrna. Polycarp in turn had been a disciple of The Apostle John....the last living Apostle. This is some of what Polycrates had to say about Passover!
Please refer to my earlier post #86 with regards to the crucifixion and death of Our Lord on the 14th. Also, the direction received from God as to the correct date for this celebration in [Leviticus 23:5]. Then ask yourself this simple question. If God directed it....and the Apostles and the Early Church celebrated it....why don't I?
Barnabas 15:8
Finally He saith to them; Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot away with. Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world.
Barnabas 15:9
Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended into the heavens.
Of course, we know that this did not take root, as there had to be a civil law to enforce this heresy over 200 years after it was penned.
Which is the same reason my church has services on Thursday nights. Shift workers are often working on Sunday morning. When I was working shifts, I was very thankful for that service. Otherwise I would not have been able to go to Communion.
Set up an automatic bank withdrawal. The problem would be to locate a bank somewhere on the planet that would date the transaction appropriately allowing for time zone. Set up a webcam in the sanctuary and there it is!
Armstrongism was/is most certainly a cult. But, to the glory of God, the Worldwide Church of God repented of this apostasy in 1995 and are considered by most Biblical scholars as being a Christian church. More, from their own mouth, here: http://www.wcg.org/lit/AboutUs/history.htm
(No, - I don't belong to this church)
Is this book about as valid as the baby gospels and the other books that have been determined as to be not inspired by God?
Diego is far smarter than I am on these things. However, Barnabas is purportedly the same guy as Matthias from Acts 1 who won the Apostle Lottery. I only quote this Epistle to show how early the Sabbath switch started. I usually stop reading all things theological once they cross into the "false teaching" realm to try to keep from corrupting my data base.
When I was a heathen and was still into all that I never has anyone come to my door and try to evangelize me. As soon as I came to Christ I had more people knocking on my door and recommending books than you could shake a stick at.
By the grace of God He keep them people away from me and I was compelled to read the bible only for the first year or so of my walk.
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