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Catholic and Protestant Bibles: What is the Difference? |
Question: What's the difference between a Catholic Bible and a Protestant one? Is our Old Testament the same as a Jewish Bible? If not, why?
Answer: The most noticeable differences occur in the number of books included and the order in which they have been arranged. Both the Jewish Bible and the Hebrew canon in a Protestant Bible (aka Old Testament) contain 39 books, whereas a Catholic Bible contains 46 books in the Old Testament. In addition, the Greek Orthodox, or Eastern Orthodox, Church accepts a few more books as canonized scripture.
To give you a quick overview of a complicated subject, here's what happened: Several hundred years before the birth of Christ, Babylonian conquerors forced the Jews to leave Jerusalem. Away from their Temple and, often, from their priests, the exiled people forgot how to read, write, and speak Hebrew. After a while, Jewish scholars wanted to make the Bible accessible again, so they translated Hebrew scriptures into the Greek language commonly spoken. Books of wisdom and histories about the period were added, too, eventually becoming so well known that Jesus and the earliest Christian writers were familiar with them. Like the original Hebrew scriptures, the Greek texts, which were known as the Septuagint, were not in a codex or book form as we're accustomed to now but were handwritten on leather or parchment scrolls and rolled up for ease in storage.
Eventually, the Jewish exiles were allowed to return to Jerusalem where they renovated the Temple. Then, in A.D. 70, warring peoples almost completely destroyed the sacred structure, which has never been rebuilt. Without this central place of worship, the Jews began looking to the Bible as their focal point of faith, but to assure the purity of that faith, only Hebrew scriptures were allowed into the Jewish canon. By then, however, the earliest Christians spoke and read Greek, so they continued to use the Septuagint or Greek version of the Bible for many centuries. After the Reformation though, some Christians decided to accept translations into Latin then English only from the Hebrew texts that the Jewish Bible contained, so the seven additional books in the Greek translation became known as the Apocrypha, meaning "hidden." Since the books themselves were no secret, the word seemed ironic or, perhaps, prophetic because, in 1947, an Arab boy searching for a lost goat found, instead, the Dead Sea scrolls, hidden in a hillside cave.
Interestingly, the leather scrolls had been carefully wrapped in linen cloth, coated in pitch, and placed in airtight pottery jars about ten inches across and two feet high where, well-preserved, they remained for many centuries. Later, other caves in the same area yielded similar finds with hundreds of manuscripts no longer hidden. Indeed, the oldest copies of the Bible now known to exist are the Dead Sea scrolls of the Septuagint.
Because of this authentic find from antiquity, many publishers in the twentieth century added back the books of Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, First and Second Maccabees, as well as additions to Esther and Daniel. So now, when an edition of the Bible says "with Apocrypha" on the cover, the extra books from the Septuagint will usually be placed between the Old and New Testaments or at the end of the Bible. Catholic Bibles already contained those books, however, so you'll find them interwoven with other Old Testament books of history and wisdom writings.
For the New Testament, it's a different story and short. All of the books were written in Greek or Aramaic from the start. Although some debate occurred about which Gospels or Epistles should be included, all Christians eventually accepted all of the same 27 books in the same order. So, as long as you choose an edition that does not add explanatory notes opposed to a Catholic perspective, any reputable translation of the New Testament is fine.
TRUE.
AND LIKEWISE YOU, DEAR SISTER IN CHRIST.
You are ALWAYS welcome for whatever crumbs of value I can offer.
You are ALWAYS welcome for whatever crumbs of value I can offer.
ALWAYS OF HIM AND BY HIS GRACE, OF COURSE.
Amen. I wholly agree. While the cultural and other changes you mention are certainly noteworthy, the most important teachings of scripture are either timeless or they are not. I agree with you that they are.
i think id' be at home in other langauge liturgies at this point.
i was pretty confused when we started going to a slavonic liturgy as the oca parish we used to attend used a shorter liturgy so some things were things i'd never really heard regurally before.
on the other hand it goes along with by dual language slavonic english service book much better than the oca liturgy did...
If this is where you believe you should be I'm sure you agree with all those things that "Tradition" has brought you. I will pray that you come to understand what it is to be BORN AGAIN.
Scripture is a guide, a "fact checker" if you will, never to be violated, but not the source of all dogma/doctrine for all time.
When you decide you can have "other things" than what is in Scripture you end up with men determining if and when you are saved, by means of their doctrines and dogmas. Almost all disagreement with the RC and EO sects can be laid at the feet of "Tradition".
"The WRITTEN word is the ONLY source of doctrine" (emphasis added) exist no where in Scripture. Without such, there exists no proof for sola scriptura.
You really don't understand what Sola Scriptura is, or just insist on not understanding it. It is not a complicated idea. Most simply explained, Sola Scriptura means all doctrines must be based on Scripture and consistant with Scripture.
thanks thanks.
imho.
THOSE ESSENTIALS SLICE THROUGH
ALL
RATIONALIZATIONS
ON ALL SIDES
OF ALL ISSUES
As we stand before FATHER.
How is that different than saying, "The written word is the only source of doctrine"?
GOOD POINTS. imho.
Thanks. :-)
there are no orthodox doctrines which contradict Holy Scripture.
There are some which would appear to contract the poor translations, ommisions, and re-writes protestants oft call scripture.
There is real joy and wholeness in God's love for His children. He created us for His pleasure, to glorify His name. And miraculously, He created that effort to increase the joy in our own lives.
Or else what is "good fruit" if not something over which we are to rejoice?
Q: What is the chief end of man?
A: Man's chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy him forever.
Romans 11:36. For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. Psalm 73:24-26. Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory. Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee. My flesh and my heart faileth: but God isthe strength of my heart, and my portion for ever. John 17:22, 24. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one... Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world."1 Corinthians 10:31. Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
The intensity of the beam created the shades.
Nevertheless, bright phosphors adjacent to unlit phosphors made them appear black when they were actually yellow-blue (grey). That was my point.
Anyway, I do agree that life is black and white, good and evil, right and wrong, truth and lie.
But only God knows objective Truth - we cannot seek Truth through reason alone (much to the chagrin of the Greeks according to Paul) --- but rather must receive His revelations to us through Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, Scriptures and Creation. Spiritual knowledge is foolishness to the natural man.
Amen.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ." -- 1 Corinthians 2:14-16"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
As Christians, you and I are His and "judgeth all things" because "we have the mind of Christ."
What riches.
"You MUST be Born Again"- Jesus..
Created the first time or the second..
I haven't reviewed all of your posts to this thread but what I took the time to read shows a keen mind. You and I have had interesting discussions before. I would add only this crumb to this feast of a thread:
Luke 9:49 "Master," said John, "we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us."
50 "Do not stop him," Jesus said, "for whoever is not against you is for you."
We Catholics believe ours is the One, Holy Apostolic Church which has been entrusted with the fullness of truth. However, no one who professes the name of Jesus is our enemy. Neither side of the debate should behave as if we were.
"I'm trying to figure what level of diversity of view is allowed in order to still be a good Orthodox. I'm confused because on the one hand, the seven Councils did not lay out tons and tons of dogma, but on the other hand, all Orthodox Churches believe essentially the same things, implying to me a lot more than a handful of basics. Since the RCs have papal infallibility, it would seem that they have much more in stone, INCLUDING things you (currently) agree with them about."
OK; all Orthodox believe the exact same things on matters of dogma and doctrine. In matters of Orthopraxis, which include certain disciplines and some minor variations in the way we pray the Divine Liturgy or other devotions there can be and are some differences. None of these differences in praxis say anything about what we believe and profess for our Orthodox Faith.
Part of the problem you may be having with this is your Western religious mindset which tends to be far more "categorical" and "dogmatic" than the Orthodox phronema. For example, in the East bishops have the power and discretion to employ "economia" which is a "pass on the rules" if the application of the rule is more damaging spiritually than the pass. But economia can only be applied with regard to discipline, never on matters of dogma. A bishop could not exercise economia to allow someone to deny the Real Presence, or the Trinity or to say that Mary is not the Theotokos. The same would go for certain disciplines. For example, a bishop could not tell someone its OK to never go to confession or communion or that its OK to sleep with your girlfriend before you are married.
I'll bet that's clear as mud, right?
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