Posted on 03/07/2007 9:10:18 AM PST by Salvation
Are YOU working iniquity?... You know... NOT forgiven?..
why bother when you folks are so busy dancing over the truth to justify your anti-Christian behaviors?
Are you referring to vagarities in the original texts of the individual books, as they work together, or to vagarities due to translation/copying error?
Knowing the scriptures and just what they teach is so helpful, isn't it?
"'just a metaphor and means something completely opposite'."
First a lesson in figures of speech: a metaphor is a word used in place of another to suggest a likeness between them. Otherwise, when we take the bread in communion we would think we were actually eating the church, the body of Christ.
Next, if you look closely at 1 Cotinthians 12, you will see the Apostle using many metaphors for the members of the church; eyes, hands, arms, feet etc.
And if you really look closely you will find there were many denominations in the early church, in fact each city was its own denomination. In Jerusalem, the center, there was the Hellenistic church and the Jewish church. In Corinth there was the church that followed Apollos, the church that followed Peter and the church that followed Paul.
there is a gap between thought and writing. this is accentuated when translating.
in fact the better way to understand is by comparing to books and looking for the meanings they can agree on.
nothing says metaphor like:
1Cr 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
Fair enough, but that would not be your decision in that case. :)
UNless the sheep and goats MUST be separated and that is one way of doing it..
i.e. hiding the truth by metaphor.. The "eat and drink(my body, my blood)" metaphor(s) is only one of them..
Look, Fred,
I'll speak for myself and whatever Protesties choose to agree with me . . . .
We don't appreciate wholesale unmitigated Protestant bashing. Particularly in the tone and manner some seem to compulsively do it in.
Some of us could just as easily bash Orthodox or RC groups wholesale. It's not for lack of evil in any camp that we refrain.
Most of us actually PREFER to deal with ISSUES on an issue by issue, case by case basis. Some of us actually enjoy the cross fertilization the different authentically Christian folks bring to the discussions.
I try to respond somewhat with the same emotional weight with some creativity and fiestiness as little else seems to match the diatribes with more than a gnat's sniffle. But that strategy doesn't moderate or mellow or increase the reasonableness of the dialogue much at all in such cases, it seems.
I don't know what the answer is . . . a lot of folks avoid the threads in fiercely intense disgust. And perhaps that's the answer . . . total and permanent IGNORE.
But the seduction of inexperienced, newbie Christian lurkers is a concern on that score. They deserve some rational edifying counter responses to some of the hideous statements posted.
I suppose the only other alternative is prayer and fasting.
I realize that some have less than 0.000% respect for what those of us they label as wolves might think of them even if it was the entire rest of FR. However, Almighty God has all our numbers and knows how to press all our buttons in very educational ways.
Sigh.
protestant bashing would be to insult sola scriptura not to at least expect you folks to hold to it.
Oh, some seem to have a PhD in Protestant bashing and to miss few opportunities to do it wholesale and blackwash across the board springboarding off any facet, any issue, any perspective, any chance to be contentious.
"nothing says metaphor like: "1Cr 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."
Here's another lesson in figures of speech. Can you say "non sequitur"? That is an inference that does not follow from the premises.
In chapter 14, Paul is talking about practices in the church; in chapter 12 he is describing the interconnectedness of the members of the church and illustrating it by the use of metaphor.
The problem here, is Calvinists are used to not only reading the bible but studying it carefully, not just credulously taking for granted what someone else has said.
That's a pretty funny post, really, no sarcasm or other lie here. I got a good chuckle out of it.
Indeed, I do tend to cringe a bit when others say, "There's over 30,000 Protestant denominations that have grown out of the Reformation", as I haven't really been able to find a website that lists all 30,000 (or 20,000 or even 10,000) denominations.
The main point though is, if I may chime in regarding this point, that there are at least 10 independent, completely incompatible (doctrinally speaking, not talking about differences in worship, or hair styles, or anything trivial, I'm talking about whether or not Modalism or the Trinity is true, or whether or not Jesus is even God) denominations.
10 incompatible denominations, I'm sure this number no one would disagree with. And this is really the point: Did God ever intend such confusion, such heights of discord and disunity, in His Church, even if we allow for the possibility of an "invisible church"? IOW, even if the number of doctrinally divided denominations was only TWO, isn't that enough to make the point that there CAN'T be an "invisible church"?
Speaking for myself, I cannot see God, who is NOT the author of confusion, allowing members of His Church to wonder whether or not His Son is God, much less all the other doctrines that clearly divide at LEAST 10 Protestant denominations from another.
Calvinists are used to not only reading the bible but studying it carefully, not just credulously taking for granted what someone else has said.
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Hey silly rabbit,
Most of us Pentecostal Armenians do the same thing good Calvinists do on that score.
LOL.
Thx.
"1Cr 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."
needs little 'personal interpretation' from those looking for the meaning of scripture but needs much interpretation from those looking to project their intended meaning ON to scripture.
AGREED.
suggesting that folks who profess adhering to scripture alone follow that is is not bashing.
for a hint at what bashing is, suggesting that folks dance on pictures is bashing.
Ahhhh, the eye of the beholder.
And, you construe it that your eyes are exceedingly more super righteous, pure, accurate etc.
than mine.
I'm happy to let God assess my eyes . . .
I don't receive your assessment.
I suppose I could try and elaborate on the definition of
WHOLESALE BLACKWASHING, ACROSS THE BOARD at the slightest perceived provocation . . .
But I think I'll save my fingers for something more fruitful.
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