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Catholic and Protestant Bibles: What is the Difference?
Catholic Exchange.com ^ | 02-06-07 | Mary Harwell Sayler

Posted on 03/07/2007 9:10:18 AM PST by Salvation

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Catholic and Protestant Bibles: What is the Difference?

March 6, 2007

Question: What's the difference between a Catholic Bible and a Protestant one? Is our Old Testament the same as a Jewish Bible? If not, why?

Answer: The most noticeable differences occur in the number of books included and the order in which they have been arranged. Both the Jewish Bible and the Hebrew canon in a Protestant Bible (aka Old Testament) contain 39 books, whereas a Catholic Bible contains 46 books in the Old Testament. In addition, the Greek Orthodox, or Eastern Orthodox, Church accepts a few more books as canonized scripture.

To give you a quick overview of a complicated subject, here's what happened: Several hundred years before the birth of Christ, Babylonian conquerors forced the Jews to leave Jerusalem. Away from their Temple and, often, from their priests, the exiled people forgot how to read, write, and speak Hebrew. After a while, Jewish scholars wanted to make the Bible accessible again, so they translated Hebrew scriptures into the Greek language commonly spoken. Books of wisdom and histories about the period were added, too, eventually becoming so well known that Jesus and the earliest Christian writers were familiar with them. Like the original Hebrew scriptures, the Greek texts, which were known as the Septuagint, were not in a codex or book form as we're accustomed to now but were handwritten on leather or parchment scrolls and rolled up for ease in storage.

 Eventually, the Jewish exiles were allowed to return to Jerusalem where they renovated the Temple. Then, in A.D. 70, warring peoples almost completely destroyed the sacred structure, which has never been rebuilt. Without this central place of worship, the Jews began looking to the Bible as their focal point of faith, but to assure the purity of that faith, only Hebrew scriptures were allowed into the Jewish canon. By then, however, the earliest Christians spoke and read Greek, so they continued to use the Septuagint or Greek version of the Bible for many centuries. After the Reformation though, some Christians decided to accept translations into Latin then English only from the Hebrew texts that the Jewish Bible contained, so the seven additional books in the Greek translation became known as the Apocrypha, meaning "hidden." Since the books themselves were no secret, the word seemed ironic or, perhaps, prophetic because, in 1947, an Arab boy searching for a lost goat found, instead, the Dead Sea scrolls, hidden in a hillside cave.

Interestingly, the leather scrolls had been carefully wrapped in linen cloth, coated in pitch, and placed in airtight pottery jars about ten inches across and two feet high where, well-preserved, they remained for many centuries. Later, other caves in the same area yielded similar finds with hundreds of manuscripts no longer hidden. Indeed, the oldest copies of the Bible now known to exist are the Dead Sea scrolls of the Septuagint.

Because of this authentic find from antiquity, many publishers in the twentieth century added back the books of Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, First and Second Maccabees, as well as additions to Esther and Daniel. So now, when an edition of the Bible says "with Apocrypha" on the cover, the extra books from the Septuagint will usually be placed between the Old and New Testaments or at the end of the Bible. Catholic Bibles already contained those books, however, so you'll find them interwoven with other Old Testament books of history and wisdom writings. 

For the New Testament, it's a different story — and short. All of the books were written in Greek or Aramaic from the start. Although some debate occurred about which Gospels or Epistles should be included, all Christians eventually accepted all of the same 27 books in the same order. So, as long as you choose an edition that does not add explanatory notes opposed to a Catholic perspective, any reputable translation of the New Testament is fine.



TOPICS: Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Judaism; Mainline Protestant
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To: humblegunner

If Catholics go down for the tortillas and our "imaginary friends," the Protestants and "Reformed" Christians go down for the "holy rollers" and the snake handlers.


81 posted on 03/07/2007 6:29:19 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Quix
We are not mentally defecient in the understanding department. We disagree about their validity.

That is perfectly obvious.

And you are well within your rights to disagree about their validity. Doesn't mean that you are correct. But you ARE within your rights to do so.

No. Has NOTHING TO DO WITH TRADITIONS BUILT UPON TRADITIONS BUILT UPON TRADITIONS; BUILT UPON FOSSILIZED, CALCIFIED, EXTRAPOLATED TRADITIONS and applauced, by all the flying buttresses of the magicsterical throughout the ages. Nothing at all to do with all that traditions of men stuff.

It has to do with what THE TEXT SAYS. The TEXT says Christ had siblings. The accurate HISTORICAL RECORD says Christ had siblings. That's just a fact. All the traditions in the world will not obliterate that fact.

First of all, I would challenge you to show me in scripture where it says that tradition, in of itself, is to be ignored and that (how does it go...) the Bible is to be the only rule for faith and practice (isn't that what you all say?)

I will fully agree with you that there are numerous places that the concept of the traditions of men are villified in scripture. One of the more famous passages follows:

Mar 7:1 Now when the Pharisees gathered together to him, with some of the scribes, who had come from Jerusalem,

Mar 7:2 they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands defiled, that is, unwashed.

Mar 7:3 (For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, do not eat unless they wash their hands, observing the tradition of the elders;

Mar 7:4 and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless they purify themselves; and there are many other traditions which they observe, the washing of cups and pots and vessels of bronze.)

Mar 7:5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, "Why do your disciples not live according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with hands defiled?"

Mar 7:6 And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, 'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;

Mar 7:7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.'

Mar 7:8 You leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men."

Mar 7:9 And he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God, in order to keep your tradition!

Mar 7:10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him surely die';

Mar 7:11 but you say, 'If a man tells his father or his mother, What you would have gained from me is Corban' (that is, given to God)--

Mar 7:12 then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,

Mar 7:13 thus making void the word of God through your tradition which you hand on. And many such things you do."

Of course, you see from the example here where the tradition practiced by the Pharisees was, in fact, the opposite of what God had commanded. By encouraging people to give to the temple vice taking care of their parents, the pharisees were steering people toward violating the commandments. (Note: this same example is used in Matthew 15:1-20)

Then we have the example in Galatians:

Gal 1:13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it;

Gal 1:14 and I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers.

Now I, in my little Catholic mind, can't see how that is a condemnation against 'tradition' or a commendation of 'tradition,' one way or the other...

Then, we have the example in Colossians:

Col 2:6 As therefore you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so live in him,

Col 2:7 rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.

Col 2:8 See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ.

Col 2:9 For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily,

Col 2:10 and you have come to fulness of life in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.

Here is a very clear admonition not to learn the Faith and stay with Christ, not letting human tradition with its vanity draw you away.

As a Catholic, that tells me that I need to learn the Faith so as not to be vulnerable from attacks by various varieties of heretics (reminds me of 1 Pet 3:15)...like the Aryans, the Gnostics, etc.

So what can we learn from the above?

It is apparent that we must not place tradition above the commandment of God. Examples abound! The sale of indulgences was a classic example from centuries ago. The money raising techniques of a lot of televangelists is a more current example.

We can see that human traditions and worldy wisdom can draw one away from Christ. Again, there have been examples throughout history: Marcion could not resolve the Old Testament God and the New Testament God (with his human wisdom), Arius and his followers could not comprehend a Christ that was both God and man, even today, we have so-called Christians who believe that God condones homosexuality and abortion.

But nowhere in those verses is the concept of Tradition, in of itself, condemned. In fact, there are just as many places where "tradition" is lauded. Where the oral tradition and verbal teaching are, in fact, praised. Some of these verses include:

1 Cr 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.

2 Th 2:15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

2 Th 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.

Rom 6:17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, (Note: committed is the Greek word paradidomi -- to give over unto -- it's the same word as 'delivered' in 1 Cr 11:2, above)

Jude 3 Beloved, being very eager to write to you of our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

(Note, when this epistle -- Jude -- was written, the Bible was not yet compiled. The faith was delivered VERBALLY -- check verse 17 out, as well)

So, from those verses, we can see that the authors are commending the Christians to follow what they were taught...be it by word of mouth or in writing.

As St. John said, (Jhn 21:25) But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.

In this post, I have discussed literally every verse in the New Testament where the word paradosis is used. I honestly don't see the basis for your accusations.

82 posted on 03/07/2007 6:30:24 PM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: Bainbridge
You are forever mentioning the female head covering stuff.

Now, do the Roman Catholics you know abide by this early admonition? I for one have not seen it in reality for about 35 years.

My daughter does. By her own decision, too.

83 posted on 03/07/2007 6:35:16 PM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: Salvation
One of my favorite books found in the Catholic Bible is the Book of Wisdom:

What did our pride avail us?
    What have wealth and its boast-
     fulness afforded us?
All of them passed like a shadow
    and like a fleeting rumor;
Like a ship traversing the heaving
     water,
    of which, when it has passed, no
     trace can be found,
    no path of its keel in the waves.

85 posted on 03/07/2007 6:37:42 PM PST by Military family member (GO Colts!!)
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To: humblegunner

Yeah, that was very clever (sarcasm).


86 posted on 03/07/2007 6:38:21 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480
Yeah, that was very clever (sarcasm).

Don't let my cleverness get in the way of your holy bleeding fencepost or whatever.

87 posted on 03/07/2007 6:47:34 PM PST by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: humblegunner
Don't let my cleverness get in the way of your holy bleeding fencepost or whatever.

I don't need that for my faith to be validated. It's sad that others, Catholics and otherwise, need it. Catholics aren't required to believe even in the approved apparitions.

88 posted on 03/07/2007 6:50:57 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Salvation

One is read and one isn't?


89 posted on 03/07/2007 6:52:24 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Alex Murphy

Oh shoot. Somebody said it first.


90 posted on 03/07/2007 6:53:14 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Salvation

When Jesus said search the Scriptures,,,there was only the new testament.

None of the rest had been recorded nor was it finished.


91 posted on 03/07/2007 7:01:36 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Heus, hic nos omnes in agmine sunt! Deo volente rivoque non adsurgente)
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To: Pyro7480
What percentage of the females would you honestly say cover their heads? Not the random grandmother, or exceptionally pious young matron, but the actual number.
92 posted on 03/07/2007 7:14:30 PM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Bainbridge
What percentage of the females would you honestly say cover their heads? Not the random grandmother, or exceptionally pious young matron, but the actual number.

At my church, or overall?

93 posted on 03/07/2007 7:18:01 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: pissant; Quix
If it were not for the "traditions" of men, no one would have bothered to assemble, interpret, translate, promote, or testify to these gospels. It took intelligence, judgement, activism, wisdom, money, drive, faith, and discernment to do all of those things.

Praise and glory be to men! How telling it is that for the Bible you give 14 levels of credit to men and ZERO to God. It does not appear to occur to you that it is God who directed the writing and assemblage of His own word. I suppose under your view God never would have stood a chance in this world without an Apostolic hierarchy. I'm sure God is very thankful.

94 posted on 03/07/2007 7:32:04 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: humblegunner
Protestants don't pray to imaginary friends ping.

Hardly anything cries tears of blood in our houses, either.

Our tortillas don't have images on them and our grilled cheese sandwiches don't have faces.

If they did, we'd be scared and toss 'em out, yo.

*sigh*

95 posted on 03/07/2007 7:37:22 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (I will always love you, Flyer.)
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To: pax_et_bonum; humblegunner

He is just NO HELP, y'know?


96 posted on 03/07/2007 7:38:08 PM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Xenalyte

Diplomacy isn't exactly our humble's forte, is it?

;-)


97 posted on 03/07/2007 7:42:35 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (I will always love you, Flyer.)
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To: pax_et_bonum

He has numerous strengths, that not being among them.


98 posted on 03/07/2007 7:43:38 PM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Xenalyte

He can kill off the other folks' characters in a story circle more creatively than anyone I know.


99 posted on 03/07/2007 7:49:01 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (I will always love you, Flyer.)
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To: All
Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal!
100 posted on 03/07/2007 9:15:40 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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