Catholic Church & Jesus Christ-Why No One Should Be A Catholic

Apostolic Messianic Fellowship ^ | August 30, 2005 | Why No One Should Be A Catholic

[Alex Murphy]

This is the Calflick Church we talkin' 'bout heah.

[Mad Dawg]

That is AWESOME! WHERE did you get that?

[NYer]

What is so sad, that as the Catholic Church has lost some of Her Traditions and Ancient Practices, Orthodoxy has continued. I find myself a little jealous of that.

Many of the Eastern Catholic Churches still retain their original liturgies. For those, like the Maronite Church, that were heavily 'latinized' by visitors from Rome, they are now translating their original 'Anaphoras' into English, French, Spanish and Arabic and restoring them to their proper place in the liturgical calendar. Today we celebrated 'Sunday of the Hemorrhaging Woman'; the Anaphora was that of Saint Sixtus, Pope of Rome.

To learn more about the "two lungs" of the Catholic Church, visit this link:

CATHOLIC RITES AND CHURCHES

To locate an Eastern Catholic Church in your community, follow the following link:

Eastern Catholic Churches in the U.S.

A Roman rite Catholic may attend any Eastern Catholic Liturgy and fulfill his of her obligations at any Eastern Catholic Parish. A Roman rite Catholic may join any Eastern Catholic Parish and receive any sacrament from an Eastern Catholic priest, since all belong to the Catholic Church as a whole. I am a Roman Catholic practicing my faith at a Maronite Catholic Church. Like the Chaldeans, the Maronites retain Aramaic for the Consecration. It is as close as one comes to being at the Last Supper.

[AnAmericanMother]

I used to work for an Aussie, and he interpreted to me many of the expressions of the "ocker" - i.e. the stereotypical uncultured Australian, more or less the equivalent of the Southern good-old-boy.

"Wouldn't be dead for quids" means that something is so amusing, interesting, etc. that you wouldn't have wanted to miss it, I guess because if you were dead you would miss it (of course, then why would you need the money if you were dead?)

I guess it doesn't really make sense, but it tickled my funnybone. Same as, "No worries, missus, we'll just scrub 'round it and it'll be jake in no time . . . " (famous last words department, Australian subdivision).

[GoLightly]

I read through this screed earlier. Beyond muttering to myself something about bearing false witness, I didn't think I had much to contribute to this thread. I had to kinda laugh about the part talking about foot washing, since my ex-husband's mother had regularly reminded him over the years about the monsignor washing his feet when he was a young lad. From what I understand, he was quite an intimidating priest, nothing like any of the other priests I've met over the years.

Instead of entering into the fray, I set myself back to the tasks I'd laid out for myself for this day. After completing Acts (about 7 chapters to go at this point), I plan to go through the chapters of the passages you cited to me in the other thread. You took time in your response to me & I am doing the same in my response to you.

Unlike Dr. Hahn before his "spying" mission, I've been to Mass a number of times over the years. I was married at a time when marriage ceremonies included a full Mass, even when the bride was not a Catholic. I attended Mass with cousins & friends numerous times when I was a child. I remember well the mad scramble for doilies & meatless Fridays throughout the year. I went often enough to notice the difference created by VII.

I can't think of any other way to put it, but the Roman Catholic Church leaves me cold. I've never felt welcome or closer to God when I was in any Catholic church. For those who've found the answer there, more power to them.

[nmh]

"The random Scripture generator strikes!"

Childish name calling doesn't change the fact that Catholicism is an imitation of Christianity.


"You DO know that we think the Pope is a sinner, don't you? The difference is that we trust in God's promises and celebrate the Love which prompted Him to make them. And you all look on and have no clue what we are doing."

That's a start ... just wish it were true for those that pray TO him, kiss HIM and take the word of another sinner instead of what the Bible states as truth. You see, the "truth" your leader speaks as "truth" doesn't totally jive with what God clearly states in the Bible. If you'd read the Bible, you'd know that.

"When you say something that I recognize as something I believe, then I'll answer it. But as long as you continue to say things about us which we don't believe and revel in your lack of knowledge ..., well it's the Lord's day and I am feeding my animals and taking a nap. It's been fun, but too frivolous."

The major problem as I and other Christians see it, is you are NOT familiar with Biblical truth. You take the words of another sinner as truth.

It is my knowledge of the Bible that allows me to discern imitations of Christianity and Catholicism is one of them.

Smartalec remarks and levity towards truth doesn't change my concern for you ... and your problematic beliefs ... . Instead of "well it's the Lord's day and I am feeding my animals and taking a nap. It's been fun, but too frivolous." this, you should be reading God's Word. Then you too would flee false teachings. It is unwise to be spiritually lazy and do this:

Pss.118:8

[8] It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

You do the opposite, by CHOICE to your spiritual and perhaps eternal demise.

[AnAmericanMother]

We have those penance services -- they're great!

Folks come from all over, the lines are out the door -- like you say, priests in every nook and cranny. Monsignor knows everybody, and he always rounds up a dozen priests or so from heaven knows where. Last Advent we had a CARDINAL show up, apparently he was in town visiting and somebody (bet it was Monsignor) said to come along and help hear confessions. His line was really really long - it isn't every day you get a cardinal hearing your confession . . . but what do you say, "Bless me Your Eminence for I have sinned" . . . ?

[Bigg Red]

Sad, really, that this is what passes for scholarship in some so-called religious quarters.

Sorry I could not get in an answer earlier, as I was at Mass doing what we do there, i.e., worshiping statues and drinking the blood of muslim children.

I ask God to give me the strength to pray for such hateful people, but it's going to take a great deal of grace from Him.

[TheSpottedOwl]

Mary wasn't Catholic? Of course not, idiot who wrote this screed....Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were JEWS!!!! Flippin' moron.

[dighton]

I used to work for an Aussie, and he interpreted to me many of the expressions of the "ocker" - i.e. the stereotypical uncultured Australian, more or less the equivalent of the Southern good-old-boy.

Ockers against wowsers stand up for their skimpies

[AnAmericanMother]

OK - I gotta share this one!

My daughter's home on spring break from college, where she's majoring in biology.

Her bio prof is a herpetologist, and last week he brought a bunch of large padlocked boxes to class . . . sure enough they contained a bunch of venomous snakes, including a copperhead, cottonmouth, timber rattler, and diamondback . . . he hooked 'em out of the boxes and set them loose one by one on the classroom floor (all the kids immediately sat in the lotus position including my daughter who was natch in the front row. Fortunately she's not afraid of snakes.)

Anyhow, what brought it to mind is that her prof said that the snake handlers almost always use diamondback rattlers, because they have NO predators and hence are better tempered and calmer than most venomous snakes -- you can pick them up and they don't freak out and bite (the cottonmouth on the other hand is so touchy and mean that if you poke him, he'll bite himself. My daughter pointed this out to the prof, and he said, "well, they're not very bright even for a snake.") Cottonmouths also REALLY stink, you wouldn't want 'em in your church.

[AnAmericanMother]

Aw, I really like ockers. They're cute.

And just like your Southern good ol' boy, they really are softies and will help any bloke who's down on his luck.

[nmh]

More Scripture to ignore ...

Catholicism and Scripture:
The Roman Catholic Church Compared to the Bible

Here's one example:

In addition to the Bible, Catholicism also follows tradition and the decrees of the Pope and church councils as religious authority.
"Did God intend that the Bible alone should be the guide to salvation? No, because certain things in the Bible can be misunderstood, and because the Bible does not have everything God taught" - Catechism, p. 51.

"Do we get from the Bible alone all our knowledge and certainty about what God has told us? No, there is also Sacred Tradition … What is tradition? The Word of God handed on to us by the Apostles in their preaching and by their successors in the church to the present day … Do you have to believe in tradition? Yes … we are obliged to accept all the truths contained in the Bible and Tradition…" - Catechism, pp. 9,10.

"Council … assemblies of the rulers of the Church legally convoked, for the discussion and decision of ecclesiastical affairs … The decrees of general councils have no binding authority till confirmed by the Pope … The infallibility of general councils so confirmed follows from that of the Church…" - Dictionary, pp. 227-230.

"Does Jesus require us to follow the Pope in matters of religion? Yes, because obedience and loyalty to the Pope are among the chief requirements of Our Lord's plan for unity … Can the Pope make an error when teaching religion? Not when he is speaking solemnly (ex cathedra) as head of the church. Then he has that special protection from error which God gives as a spiritual safeguard for all the members of the church" - Catechism, p. 56.

But the Bible teaches:
1. The original apostles received all the truth we need to guide us to eternal life, and they wrote this down in the Scriptures (John 16:13; 2 Pet. 1:3; Acts 20:20,27; Matt. 28:20; I Cor. 14:37; 2 Tim. 3:16,17).

2. The teachings of these inspired writers can be understood by the common people. We do not need official interpreters to understand the word, but we should use the word to check out the teachers! (Mark 7:14; 2 Tim. 3:16,17; John 20:30,31; Acts 17:11; Psa. 119:105)

3. We displease God when we follow tradition or church laws or any human standard as the source of authority for the church (Matt. 15:1-14; Col. 2:8; Gal. 1:6-9; Prov. 14:12; 2 John 9-11; Jer. 10:23).

OOdles more of falce Catholic teachings exposed here:

http://www.biblestudylessons.com/cgi-bin/gospel_way/catholicism.php

Reading through this would be a wiser use of your time rather than "napping and feeding your animals" GEESH!


http://www.biblestudylessons.com/cgi-bin/gospel_way/catholicism.php

[AnAmericanMother]

My First Communion story ... (hey, we were Episcopalians at the time, but we were REALLY high church):

My daughter was all dressed up in her little white dress and veil, white gloves and all, going up to the altar for her First Communion. A slightly older girl friend of hers was sitting down front, and as daughter walked up to the rail she yelled out right across the church, "YOU WON'T LIKE IT!"

My daughter didn't respond, went on up to the rail, took communion very devoutly, got in line to go back down the side aisle, then turned to her friend, put her hands on her hips and shouted right back across the church (only twice as loud) "I DID TOO!"

Fortunately she didn't add, "PBBBBBBTTTTT!"

[investigateworld]

I suspect should this writer find himself within the Pearly Gates of Heaven he's going to have a shock coming!

Those who entrust the Holy Spirit and seek to follow the teachings of the Bible certainly wouldn't be surprised to see "the righteous of all nations" on those crystal streets.

[G Larry]

I invite the anti-Catholic, bigotted author to read what Catholics see when they read the Bible:

Salvation (Grace or Grace & Works?)

John 3:5
Titus 3:5
Eph 4:23
I Cor 9:27 & 10:12
Hebrews 10:26
Philippians 2:12
2 Cor 5:10
Rom 2:6, 5:12, 8:24, 11:22
Col 2:23
2 Macabees 12:44-46 (not in KJV)

Penance

Luke 3:8, 13:3, 24:47
Acts 2:38, 3:19, 8:21-22, 17:30
2 Cor 7:10
Matt 3:8
Ps 6:7
Jer 7:3

Confession

John 20:23
Matt 16:19 & 18:18
2 Cor 5:18-20

Eucharist
1 Cor 5:7, 10:16, 11:24, 27-29
Luke 22:19,20
Mark 14:22-24
Matt 26:26
Acts 2:42
John 6:27-71

Baptism of Children
Matt 18:14, 19:13
Mark 10:13-16
Luke 18:15-17
John 3:5
Acts 2:39, 16:15-33
1 Cor 1:16, 15:22

Confirmation
Acts 8:17, 19:6-20
Heb 6:2
2 Cor 1:21
Eph 1:13

Extreme Unction (Last Rights)
James 5:14-15
Mark 6:12

Purgatory
2 Samual 12:13
2 Maccabees 12:44-46
Luke 12:57-59
I Cor 3:15
Col 2:24
I Peter 3:19-21
I John 5:16-17

“Catholic” means “universal”.
It is the result of Christ’s conferral of primacy on Peter.
The Succession to Pope Benedict is historically traceable.
Reference the following:
Matt 16:18-19, 18:16-18, & 28:20
Acts 2:41 & 20:28
John 21:15-19
Ez 37:22-25
Eph 2:19-22 & 3:5
Luke 22:31-32
Gal 1:18
2 Thes 2:15

[Aliska]

Too anti-Catholic for me. I have my own issues, but this is mean-spirited and snide, don't want to even bother reading the whole thing.

[Mad Dawg]

I'm sorry nmh, b ut remarks like, If you'd read the Bible, you'd know that, seem almost to demand childish sneers and sarcasm. Greek (classical and Koine) and Hebrew. No Aramaic, though. Read the Bible daily. Got the umpty-ump volume Kittel Dictionary and, what's more, I use it.

IN shooting one of the safety rules is to be sure of your target and what's behind it. You totally missed me with the implication that I don't read the Bible. Go do some homework and come back when you know who you're telling unwitting and unintended (I trust) falsehoods about.

just wish it were true for those that pray TO him

I don't know of anybody who "prays" to the Pope while he's Pope. I do know, however, that the word "pray" is used in court documents about interactions between living people, so while you're accusing us of stuff, you might take the trouble to be specific and clear about your use of the word "pray".

As to kissing, what is your problem? It's a sign of respect. It's not one I'm especially fond of, but what the heck. It's good to get out of one's own culture every once in a while.

You say That's a startin response to my stating, as the church has stated for centuries, the the Pope is a sinner in need of Redemption, that he is NOT "impeccable". So I conclude that our saying something we've said for centuries is news to you. Again, be sure of your target before you fire, okay>

as I and other Christians see it, is you are NOT familiar with Biblical truth. You take the words of another sinner as truth.

Well, it sounds like YOU have a problem. As I said, when you can make it clear to me that you understand what we teach about Papal infallibility, then we can spend some time on it.

Tell me, can you articulate the doctrine of Papal infallibility?

Instead of "well it's the Lord's day and I am feeding my animals and taking a nap. It's been fun, but too frivolous." this, you should be reading God's Word.

Okay, I'll bite: how much time per day do you think I do spend in God's word, and how much time a day do you think I SHOULD spend in it?

Pss.118:8
[8] It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
You do the opposite, by CHOICE to your spiritual and perhaps eternal demise.

And you know this how?

Let me see if I can say this so you will at least hear it. I'm not hoping for agreement: We do not trust the Pope as such. We trust God's promise to us. Second time I've said it, but it doesn't seem to reach your mind. But I deny that I trust the Pope, and you don't seem to be able to do anything but repeat yourself. I say I trust in God and you say I don;'t so I'm in trouble.

Whatever. You don't know or cannot say in a recognizable manner what I believe. How do you expect me to hear you when you keep talking about somebody else and not me?

[Biggirl]

Thank-you for your posting. Yes, I am a Catholic Christian.