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These verses are speaking of an habitual sinner, not one who just "messes up", as we all do. The elect aren't perfect and they sin in this age and must repent but they try their best. So, if they sin now those sins can be forgiven upon repentance but the "unforgiveable sin" they cannot commit.

How much sin is required to be a habitual sinner? The penalty for one sin is the same as the penalty for all sin. I believe that the elect are perfect. They are born perfect in Christ. The old man continues to sin.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Thus when it says "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God," it means just what it says, except that it refers only to the spiritual man.

As I think about that here is another verse for you:

Matthew 24:13 - "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

This is about end times again. How does rapture fit with this verse?

Matthew 24:13 is a tricky verse for me. I think it is talking about the people that survive the tribulation and don't receive the mark of the beast. As I said before, I don't believe that Matthew 24, Mark 13: or Luke 21 says anything about the rapture or the blindness of Israel or the 2000 year Church age. These things were revealed later.

Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Evidently the days are shortened so that some flesh may be saved. The unregenerate man is allowed to live into the thousand years

Seven

Seven - "I believe that the elect are perfect. They are born perfect in Christ. The old man continues to sin."

Ping - Seven no one is perfect, except Christ. We may all try but there is no way we can be. We are flesh and even if it is sinning with a thought it is still sin.

A case in point would be that terrible degenerate that killed the young girl by burying her alive in his back yard. The jury just found him guilty (what a surprise for today's jurors) and sentenced him to death. We are supposed to forgive others if we are to receive forgiveness. Seven, it is easy for me to forgive almost anything but I don't think I could EVER forgive him. I don't see how anyone could, no matter how good they were.
Truly,in my heart and mind I don't see how even Jesus could. It didn't happen to my family and I still don't forgive him and don't think much of someone that could.

Is anyone, elect or not, on earth today, that could possible forgive him? I still hold that no one is perfect while in the flesh.

Back to rapture now. Seven, how do you picture it as happening? You don't have to quote scripture if you don't want to, I just want to understand how you believe it will happen.