Posted on 02/15/2007 12:04:29 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
"Joy to the world the Lord has come." This misquote from Isaac Watts, along with a link to a Chabad Web site, appears on a billboard. Not a real billboard, but a Photoshopped one that appears on the Web site of a Chabad activist in the U.S. Advertisement Rabbi Ariel Sokolovsky is a Moldova-born Chabad rabbi in Portland, Oregon, and a more amiable soul would be hard to find. Yet Sokolovsky maintains a blog he entitled "Rebbegod" and refers to Schneerson as "Rebbe-Almighty" among other adulatory sobriquets. Drawing on rabbinical sources, he attempts to show that this is not as revolutionary as it sounds. He concedes that there are few people like him who will openly call the Rebbe God. He claims, however, that many people believe it, but do not say so openly for fear of scaring people away from Chabad altogether. While he argues that the Rebbe and God are not the same thing exactly, he says that he does not object to people thinking that they are the same thing. He recounts an incident in which he confronted his teacher - a senior Chabad rabbi from the former USSR - as to why he would not openly declare the Rebbe to be God. According to Sokolowsky, the senior rabbi jokingly warned him: "there can be many gods but only one Moshiach."
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No, it's downright odd.
My sister (a medical doctor) went reform to conservative to chabad to then modern orthodox in Houston because the chabad guys were just odd.
Might be of interest.
Since I'm a Catholic, maybe I shouldn't get involved with this thread. But I doubt very much whether a new religion, analogous to Christianity, will emerge from this.
For one thing, not everyone in Chabad believes that the Lubavitcher Rebbe is the Messiah and still lives. I think most are waiting to see what happens.
For another, Chabad is actually more orthodox than many liberal Jews, because they still expect the Messiah, which has always been a part of the Jewish faith. Just consider all those sayings of the Prophets.
There is an unusual element because some have suggested a Messiah who dies and lives again, which does seem to draw from the Christian model. The Jewish Messiah is not necessarily expected to die and rise again--although I don't personally see how it can be ruled out on the basis of the various Messianic texts.
I'll leave it at that and let those with better knowledge reply.
Shall we go to the stoning? ["Life of Brian", quoted from memory]
No, I think we should follow the shoe.
Or maybe the gord.
My husband and I (Catholics) have been invited to a wedding to be held at the local Chabad Congregation in March. We have never attended a Jewish wedding, and we understand that customs will be different. Can anyone on this thread please tell us what to expect and how to dress? Please answer privately, as my question is off topic for this thread. Thank you.
See # 8.
We get Chabad mailings, probably because they bought a list from Brandeis where VS got a graduate degree. Unless they go through the phonebook for Jewish sounding names.
Lots of "Get ready for Moshiach", how Jews can get ready for him and how Gentiles can too, which is all very acceptable advice. But no "Moshiach has arrived."
Mrs VS
This would be fuel to the fire of the professor who wrote that "Scandal of Orthodox Indifference" book, about the messianic Chabad beliefs.
One can see the parallel with Christianity, and also with some heterdox sects which split off from Islam. Some early Shia sects started proclaiming Imam Ali as divine, and worshipping him. However, they became isolated fragments, that did not last.
However, I would be surprised if even the most irregular Jewish groups started saying that the Messiah is also God Himself. Should not the Messiah should be a part of the creation - made by God?
If you can point out the "break" between Chabad and Judaism, please do so here.
IMO, Christianity probably started out much the same way -- devoted followers of a beloved and wise man couldn't cope with his death. As the years went by, this following grew, attracting large numbers of people who never knew the original man but were attracted to the myth of the divine superman created by those original grieving followers.
When discussing a religion more than 3,000 years old, couldn't a 200 year old sect be called "new."
No they don't. It is a small vocal group within the Chabad movement. The Lubavitcher Rebbe himself eschewed such talk.
Or treats his works as almost idolotrous (such as the Chabad "custom" of turning to a random page of the Rebbe's writings to get an answer to questions).
Idolotry? When did this become part of Chabad's liturgy? People do many things for comfort in times of trouble.
If you are going to question the faith of Chabadniks over the righteousness or holyness of their Rebbe's, you could attack any religeous Jew who goes to seek guidance from any of the iconic figures of our history. Does the Cave of the Patriarchs, the Rambam's Tomb, or the gravesite of Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai get any interest from Jews who seek guidance? Is it a "custom" to pray there? It is merely a connection to the sages of our past.
HaAretz loves to "run smack" about any strong Jewish group to discredit them. This is just another "hit piece" IMHO.
So are you suggesting that the Hassidic movement is not Judaism?
I am not a meshichist and the top leaders of Chabad have strongly denounced the meshichisten. Stop this slander.
Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.
You do not know the majority of Chabad or even a large percentage of Chabad and you are not active in the highest levels of Chabad leadership, as my family is.
The top leadership of Chabad (Rabbi Krinsky) has denounced the Meshichisten and is trying to get them removed from 770.
Stop your disgusting slanders. You are just as bad as the yechi's.
Oh come on! Everybody knows that Sabbatai Zevi is the Messiah!
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