New church group to lease Sacred Heart

The Eagle-Tribune ^ | February 02, 2007 | By Yadira Betances , Staff Writer

[Cheverus]

This should be a fun thread!

[ArrogantBustard]

Who are these people?

[ArrogantBustard]

Who are these people?

The position “sedevacantism” simply means that out of good conscience, we view the Chair of Peter as if it were temporarily vacant. We do not declare anyone to be or not to be Pope. However, due to the present circumstances of open heresy and modernism being taught throughout the world from "Catholic" clergymen and institutions -- without any correction but rather acceptance, even by the hierarchy in the Vatican -- we see no other option whereby we can remain true to our Catholic Faith as handed down by all the Popes and Councils through the centuries. The last forty years in the Catholic Church have seen the rise of Modernism (which is condemned by the Catholic Church - see encyclical of Pope St. Pius X) and all forms of abuses and heresies growing and destroying the souls of the faithful. As Catholics, we can not accept and believe things contrary to the Catholic Faith and the teachings of Jesus Christ. This Catholic conviction (i.e., one cannot obey when it is an obvious matter of sin, of which heresy is the greatest!) thus leads us into the position we currently hold.

Well, there it is. Straight from the horse's mouth.

[murphE]

"We're very concerned for the Catholic faithful up there," said Terrence Donilon, spokesman for the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston.

Me thinks he should be more concerned with the influence of the likes of John Kerry, Teddy Kennedy etc. on the faithful up there.

(cont) "They are not a Catholic organization."

But this diocesan approved organization, The Paulist Center is???

[ArrogantBustard]

Is there a currently living Pope? If so, what is his name, and where does he live?

[Cheverus]

I think they are a fairly new SedeVacantist group....schism breeds schism after all.

What is very interesting is that these groups were so very rare only a few short years ago (schismatic groups of any stripe) and seem to be increasing exponentially under our current Archbishop.....13 years and counting.

[Alex Murphy]

Is there a currently living Pope? If so, what is his name, and where does he live?

Yes. Pope Michael I, formerly David Allen Bawden. Belvue, Kansas.

[murphE]

Is there a currently living Pope? If so, what is his name, and where does he live?

Don't be silly. I'm pretty sure you got my point, if not I'll elaborate.

Deep concern is expressed for the faithful lest they be exposed to people who actually believe and practice the faith, (although this group definitely seems to be confused about who the pope is - no doubt due to being scandalized in the past 40 or so years) - yet the spokesman for the diocese has no concern for the faithful regarding the apostate Paulist Center. It is diocesan approved. So are Kerry and Kennedy for that matter.

What is very interesting is that these groups were so very rare only a few short years ago (schismatic groups of any stripe) and seem to be increasing exponentially under our current Archbishop.....13 years and counting.

schism breeds schism after all.

I would say scandal and lack of teaching and defending the faith by Church men has lead to an increase in error and confusion. Sedevacantism is the opposite side of the coin to papalotry.

The papalotrist says, "If the pope says it, does it it must be good." Then he goes on to justify non Catholic practices and policies.

The sedevacantist rightly condemns scandalous actions and policies in the recent past by popes, but he wrongly concludes, "what the pope has done is not good, therefore this must mean he is not actually pope."

[murphE]

Sorry, meant to ping you to 8.

[Salvation]

Someone needs to go to the REAL Catholic pastor of this parish and give him a copy of what you posted. Thus, this "Willing Shepherd" sedevacatist organization would get thrown out of their lease.

I got Pax Christi thrown out of my church by copying information about them -- most widely accepted dissenting group ever -- to my pastor!

They are GONE!

[ArrogantBustard]

Sadly, there is no "REAL Catholic Pastor", because there is no Parish. The physical property is owned by a real-estate development corporation, from which these pseudocatholics are leasing it.

[marshmallow]

........and he's captured at his weekly General Audience on his front porch. The subject of this weeks discourse was "The Price of Corn Futures".

The man with the bald head in the kneeling posture is the Prefect for the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith. He's just been made a cardinal and is awaiting the arrival of red robes.

The official press corps of the Vatican West is recording the event for posterity.

[Alex Murphy]

The subject of this weeks discourse was "The Price of Corn Futures".

ROTFL

[Serviam1]

...and the beat goes on in the Archdiocese of Boston (RCAB).

We have a Cardinal who has never seriously considered pastoral needs of traditionalist Catholics who is seemingly bent on shutting down Holy Trinity Church (HTC), home of Boston's German Catholic and Indult Latin Mass communities, despite our pleadings.

Check out:
http://www.holytrinitygerman.org/

Lost on the RCAB is the important role historic churches like Patrick Keeley's Holy Trinity (1877) play in both our physical patrimony and call to evangelization as Catholics. All we seem to experience is a general lack of pastoral solicitude and general diminishment by clerical utilitarians in the role Houses of God play as an effective physical manifestation in the culture war (in Massachusetts). What we hear from the Archdiocese of Boston (RCAB) reconfiguration facilitators are sound bytes that minimize the role churches will play in the modern Catholic identity. Labels as “worship space” and parrotted phrases as , "It only buildings" are most troubling. Previous generations of Boston Catholics regarded the Sacred Architecture of the parish as a primary encounter with the Faith that housed God's Incarnate Reality in the Blessed Sacrament...the "Gate of Heaven". It too said it all. I guess times have changed where a Catholic sense as virtually vanished by those who should be leading the charge.

The Cardinal, despite his physical proximity (a 7 minute walk) to HTC, has never had the decency to even darken Holy Trinity's door...even in unannounced manner. In fact its my understanding that he recently visited “Bridge over Troubled Waters”, a home for troubled young people, in the former HTC Rectory. When asked if he had any interest in seeing Holy Trinity’s interior, he simply responded, “No”. So much for pastoral solicitude, at least as far as the concerns of HTC’s parishioners.

Maybe I’m just “sour grapes”. I get the feeling the Archdiocesan weekly, 'The Pilot' and his Blog (http://www.cardinalseansblog.org/) are very careful to cultivate an impression “Cardinal Sean” is very accessible, very low key and has an interest in the downtrodden. Personally, I have found him less accessible than Cardinal Law in the mid-90’s, who only seems to communicate through his inner circle unless there is some advantage.

Since 2003, we have continually stressed the importance of a dedicated apostolate for the Faithful who seek out the richness of Classical Roman Rite and Sacraments, to both stem an exodus and the general growth of schismatic groups, (particularly those harboring sedevantist error) and attracting newcomers. What has been the RCAB's answer?…

One of dozens of replies:
“Please know the Archbishop has received requests similar to your’s in the past and has consistently responded that in accord with the request of Ecclesia Dei the archdiocese of Boston provides the celebration of Mass in the Tridentine(sic)Rite and has qualified priests to celebrate this Mass. It is not the intention of the Archbishop to begin a Tridentine(sic)Rite parish, thus at this time he does not envision the necessity nor the advantage of inviting priests from either of the two groups (FSSP & ICK) that you mention to the Archdiocese as we can provide for the celebration of the Mass on a weekly basis.”

Most Reverend Richard G. Lennon (now Bishop of Cleveland)
15 Feb 06

There you have it, one of dozens of boiler plate responses received from the RCAB Chancery that continues to dismiss the general aspirations of the Faithful. I never cease to be amazed that our hierarchy thinks this is solely a liturgical issue with never any consideration of a legitimate need for parish life born out of the Classical Liturgy.

FYI, I understand that the sedevacantist CMRI chapel in Woburn (MA) has now more that 300 people attending on a Sunday. Most Sundays we see between 200-250 at HT. Now why the flap and astonishment over Sacred Heart? Maybe the RCAB will get the hint.

[Andrew Byler]

Rob:

Don't you know you have to go into schism to get any respect from the Bishops? Just look at what has been lavished upon former schismatics (FSSP, SSJ, IGS, etc.) compared to the faithful who never left.

The best way to preserve Holy Trinity would be to figure out a way to buy it or lease it long term like this and then go into schism and bring in your own priest, who can then petition for reconciliation after a few years. Sad but true.

[Serviam1]

All,

In case you wondered, the RCAB has been warned repeatedly about this problem and has chosen to ignore the existence and potential growth of such groups by members of the Indult community. This has been particularly dismissed out of hand by the Cardinal and Bishops Lennon and Boles in particular over the last three years. Meanwhile the legitimate need for Parish life that includes formation and traditional spirituality outside of Holy Mass continues to go ignored. Sadly, many souls choose the path of least resistance rather than one of informed discernment. What formation???

While I'll concur the ultimate responsibility lies in individual free will, I attribute much of the responsibilty for loss of Faith with the continued silence and/or inaction of our clerical culture.

As a member of the Indult community since 1994, we were directed for many years “not to advertise” by Msgr. Fred Murphy (former Administrator and Rector of Holy Cross Cathedral) and Bishop Boles (Boston Auxilary). How does this fly in the face of the New Evangelization? Do we share the same responsibility and dignity as other Catholics? You bet! Yet this is but one example that needs to see the light of day before the RCAB can complain about Sacred Heart? Does the RCAB complain about the missionary activity of the CMRI in East Boston and the North End, among unwitting Catholics starved for the Faith of their forebears? What of the steady defections in the Indult community by those simply worn down?

The day Cardinal O’Malley starts showing some genuine pastoral concern for a faithful portion of his flock, I may be swayed in my view point. I honestly think schismatic groups will continue to flourish until he makes a concerted outreach. Inviting the FSSP or ICK to foster parish life could go a long way forming and reforming many souls lost in sad confusion and spiritual abuse.
The reality of the RCAB solution at HTC revolves around a dwindling rotation of aging priests in ill health and a steadfastly refusal to allow several young priests who have expressed interest in assisting, despite personal initiative to learn the Classical Roman Rite. Involvement most assuredly spells political risk and retaliation from the chancery. I'm convinced the current RCAB trajectory is that of institutionalized decline. Scary.

This brings me to wonder and reflect…
John 10:11-18

Salvation of Souls: Not a Numbers Game
Luke 15:4-10

[Mrs. Don-o]

I clicked on that Paulist link: good golly, what are those --- things --- they have on the wall? A large, wooden Preying Mantis? And some kind of a Sikh symbol?

[Mrs. Don-o]

I clicked on that Paulist link: good golly, what are those --- things --- they have on the wall? A large, wooden Preying Mantis? And some kind of a Sikh symbol?

[Pyro7480]

Which would you rather have?

Holy Trinity Church

Paulist Center Chapel

The archdiocese wants to close the first one too!