Posted on 01/02/2007 4:33:16 PM PST by narses
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell. The third day He arose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty, whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.
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We do the "Nicene Creed" in the Catholic Church which is slightly different. The part that struck me was the mention of hell. We have "He suffered, died and was buried. On the third day he rose again."
So what part of the Apostles' Creed is contradicted by that thread or by that poster?
Perhaps you could explain why you didn't ping him to this thread?
I've noticed recently that the version of the Creed that we say has been "gender-neutralized."
I'm not Catholic but I have no problem with the Apostle's Creed as it's all based on scripture.
Where do you get that from?
Catholics have both. Here's the version I remember:
I believe in God, the Father Almighty
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.
Amen.
"I wonder what and how the Apostle's Creed fits into the worldview of those who reject the Catholic Church and post this to better understand that viewpoint."
What's to wonder about? It's scriptural.
We do the "Nicene Creed" in the Catholic Church which is slightly different. The part that struck me was the mention of hell. We have "He suffered, died and was buried. On the third day he rose again."
As a child in the Catholic church we said "decended in to hell"
The Creed
As the head of the family should teach it in a simple way to his household.
The First Article.
Of Creation.
I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth.
What does this mean?--Answer.
I believe that God has made me and all creatures; that He has given me my body and soul, eyes, ears, and all my limbs, my reason, and all my senses, and still preserves them; in addition thereto, clothing and shoes, meat and drink, house and homestead, wife and children, fields, cattle, and all my goods; that He provides me richly and daily with all that I need to support this body and life, protects me from all danger, and guards me and preserves me from all evil; and all this out of pure, fatherly, divine goodness and mercy, without any merit or worthiness in me; for all which I owe it to Him to thank, praise, serve, and obey Him. This is most certainly true.
The Second Article.
Of Redemption.
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary; suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried; He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
What does this mean?--Answer.
I believe that Jesus Christ, true God, begotten of the Father from eternity, and also true man, born of the Virgin Mary, is my Lord, who has redeemed me, a lost and condemned creature, purchased and won [delivered] me from all sins, from death, and from the power of the devil, not with gold or silver, but with His holy, precious blood and with His innocent suffering and death, in order that I may be [wholly] His own, and live under Him in His kingdom, and serve Him in everlasting righteousness, innocence, and blessedness, even as He is risen from the dead, lives and reigns to all eternity. This is most certainly true.
The Third Article.
Of Sanctification.
I believe in the Holy Ghost; one holy Christian Church, the communion of saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and the life everlasting. Amen.
What does this mean?--Answer.
I believe that I cannot by my own reason or strength believe in Jesus Christ, my Lord, or come to Him; but the Holy Ghost has called me by the Gospel, enlightened me with His gifts, sanctified and kept me in the true faith; even as He calls, gathers, enlightens, and sanctifies the whole Christian Church on earth, and keeps it with Jesus Christ in the one true faith; in which Christian Church He forgives daily and richly all sins to me and all believers, and at the last day will raise up me and all the dead, and will give to me and to all believers in Christ everlasting life. This is most certainly true.
Though I prefer "Our Father"; a good Hebrew prayer.
In our family, we say "the quick and the dead," the way I learned it in an old-fashioned Presbyterian church.
The Nicene-Constantinople Creed is a longer form of the Apostles Creed with clarifications added to the 12 propositions of the latter Creed against the heresies that the Councils of Nice and Constantinople were combating. Both are Catholic.
The "hell" mentioned is a reference to the abode of the dead, not the hell fire of gehenna, i.e., that of damnation. Some translations have "He descended to the dead".
"On the third day he arose again according to the Scriptures." is the complete verse of that statement of the Nicene Creed.
ARTICLE I : "I BELIEVE IN GOD, THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH"
ARTICLE II : "AND IN JESUS CHRIST, HIS ONLY SON, OUR LORD"
ARTICLE III : "WHO WAS CONCEIVED BY THE HOLY GHOST, BORN OF THE VIRGIN MARY"
ARTICLE IV : "SUFFERED UNDER PONTIUS PILATE, WAS CRUCIFIED, DEAD, AND BURIED'"
ARTICLE V : "HE DESCENDED INTO HELL, THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN FROM THE DEAD"
ARTICLE VI : "HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN, SITTETH AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY"
ARTICLE VII : "FROM THENCE HE SHALL COME TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD"
ARTICLE VIII : "I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY GHOST"
ARTICLE IX : "I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH; THE COMMUNION OF SAINTS"
ARTICLE X : "THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS"
"As a child in the Catholic church we said "decended in to hell"
Lutherans still say it, just as the original Catholic creed did. It is based on I Peter 4:18-20: "For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body, but was made alive by the Spirit, through whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built."
Q. 44. Why is there added, "he descended into hell"?A.That in my greatest temptations, I may be assured, and wholly comfort myself in this, that my Lord Jesus Christ, by his inexpressible anguish, pains, terrors, and hellish agonies, in which he was plunged during all his sufferings, but especially on the cross, has delivered me from the anguish and torments of hell.
Although fundamentalists are non-creedal, there is nothing objectionable in the Apostles` Creed when it is correctly presented and interpreted. There are several different translations, of course, but your version correctly refers to "the holy catholic church". Knowledgable fundamentalists do believe in the holy catholic church, and in fact believe that they are members of it. The disagreement is over the identification of the invisible catholic church with the visible Chruch of Rome.
In regard to Mary, there is no disagreement with the idea that Christ was born to a virgin. The disagreement is over what does not appear in the creeds: whether Mary remained a virgin.
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