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Broke "Saddleback" Mountain ...when a pastor tries to be a politician
CampOnThis ^ | December 4, 2006

Posted on 12/20/2006 9:36:45 AM PST by Gamecock

Rick Warren seems like a compassionate man; but one who is a late-comer to this issue of AIDS. He said on an interview with FOXNEWS this past week that the first priority was to "break the silence of the church on AIDS." I beg your pardon Mr. Warren, but there have been many churches over for the past 20+ years without fanfare, PR and national media attention have faithfully served the Lord and those that are HIV positive in very sacrificial and profound ways. It is good that Rick and Saddleback have finally broken the silence and are getting involved on this issue.

But in all honesty, one must logically ask why now? I mean, where has he been all those years when people were dying with AIDS? I can only think in part that this is now due because of his PDL fame and subsequent wealth derived thereof, that he has to have somewhere to use and justify the tens of millions of dollars he has made from "being in the ministry." Thus... his fascination with social causes.

Mr. Warren is being promoted, positioned and perceived, mostly by his own public relations machine, as a global leader in fighting HIV infection. However, rather than using his "Q" to drive him deeper into pastoral ministry (i.e. prayer, biblical exposition, the discipleship of God's people, and the proclamation of the gospel of sola fide) he has turned to social causes: global warming, getting rid of poverty, bringing his P.E.A.C.E. plan to Syria, and now of course... AIDS.

The Latest Promoter of ECB - Evangelical Co-Belligerenece

A familiar proverb says, "a man is known by the friends he keeps..." And while Rick's passion for hurting people is commendable, it's the strange bedfellows he "partners" with that is disturbing. This again seems like a very superficial thing to him. The only plumbline he uses to determine whom he aligns himself with is uninimity on a cause--not on Christ, not on biblical truth, not on moral principle, but solely on a cause. And remember, this is a pastor. In this case the issue is AIDS.

Rick himself has clearly communicated that he will join with anyone to fight AIDS. Really? Let's test that axiom: would he partner with Planned Parenthood for example, or NAMBLA, Larry Flint of Hustler Magazine, or the Columbia drug-lords perhaps (after all they are well financed and globally networked) to help fight global HIV infection? Of course not. The principle taken to its logical conclusion doesn't pan out though. IOW, this is just another example of "cultural sentimentalism" run-a-muck. It is what I have coined as: ECB - Evangelical Co-Belligerence. Here is Rick on Hannity and Colmes a few days ago describing his new found co-belligerence.

The cross of the social gospel is pleasant, inclusive, ecumenical, politically correct, and inoffensive to the unregenerate; contrary to the cross of Christ.

His Definition of C.H.U.R.C.H. 'Purposely' Leaves out Christ
Look at how Rick wants to redefine what the church should be in response to this health crisis:

Unique from every other conference on AIDS, attendees of the Global Summit on AIDS & the Church will explore six ways any church, regardless of size, can minister to people living with HIV/AIDS using the acrostic C.H.U.R.C.H.: Care for and support the sick; Handle testing and counseling; Unleash volunteers; Remove the stigma; Champion healthy behavior; and Help with nutrition and medications.

I have an alternative meaning on how the church can effectively minister to those who have AIDS:

C - Christ. He alone is head of the church and is to be reverenced and worshipped as the only true Lord of all (Col. 1:18)
H - Holiness. The lifestyle of true faith; the fruit of genuine salvation (2 Cor. 5:17)
U - Unity. The body of Christ living out the one-anothers that effect all of life in every area of faith and community (Acts 2:42ff)
R - Regeneration. Proclaiming the gospel -evangelism; calling all men everywhere to repent of their sins and follow Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of their lives to escape the wrath to come (Titus 3:4-7)
C - Care and Compassion. Love your neighbor as yourself. Serve through "hands on" practical means (Matt. 22:39)
H - Hope. Though there is no cure for H-I-V, but there is for S-I-N in the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Dying people need hope and there is no greater hope than what is found in Jesus (1 John 2:28-3:3)

Care for peoples daily needs? - absolutely, yes. But not at the expense of the eternal being compromised, ignored, politicized, or blurred.

Rodney King Theology--With a Twist

Mr. Warren's bleeding heart, politically correct, postmodern, moral pluralistic, neo-evangelical rhetoric adopted form the Rodney School of Theology - "can't we all just get along" [and all work together] - plays well with people like Bono, Gates, Obama, Dybul. But even under surface scrutiny, it lacks the biblical teeth, footing, theology, and courage to be taken anymore seriously than what it is: just another liberal social gospel in different rags.

Divorce biblical truth from love, and you get empty-headed sentimentality. Divorce love from biblical truth, and you get cold hearted-orthodoxy. Marry biblical truth and love, and you get real ministry. Rick has conveniently cut biblical truth out of the equation and has embraced anyone (preferrably with a name that can draw a crowd) who shares his same passion for the same issue. For a politician this is understandable and condoned; for a pastor, this is preposterous and compromise.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: aids; christianitylite; evangelical; obama; popchristianity; rickwarren; warren

1 posted on 12/20/2006 9:36:47 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: DocRock; del4hope; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; Ottofire; fishtank; ...

YBPDLN Ping


2 posted on 12/20/2006 9:37:51 AM PST by Gamecock (Pelagianism is the natural heresy of zealous Christians who are not interested in theology. J.I.P.)
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To: Gamecock

Rick Warren's ego is the size of Jupiter, and he's well on the way to irrelevancy.


3 posted on 12/20/2006 10:04:28 AM PST by Joseph DeMaistre (There's no such thing as relativism, only dogmatism of a different color)
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To: Gamecock
Rick has conveniently cut biblical truth out of the equation and has embraced anyone (preferably with a name that can draw a crowd) who shares his same passion for the same issue.

Interesting that his passion is AIDS, rather than, oh, I don't know...saving the precious babies that never even have the opportunity to be born...alive!

And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many.
Matthew 24:11

I have no doubt that Mr. Warren has a mission. I also have no doubt that it's NOT to lead lost souls to Jesus Christ!

4 posted on 12/20/2006 11:08:33 AM PST by jan in Colorado (God Bless our Troops and their families!)
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To: Gamecock

Rick Warren is so full of himself.


5 posted on 12/20/2006 12:03:20 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Gamecock
Remove the stigma

He has done it with sin...so he might as well do it with AIDS!

6 posted on 12/20/2006 2:32:16 PM PST by pby
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To: Gamecock
Champion healthy behavior

"healthy" behavior? Not "moral" behavior? Is "healthy behavior" a code phrase for something ... ?

7 posted on 12/20/2006 3:01:30 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: jan in Colorado

...And deceive even the elect if possible.

Our pastor claimed that we maligned this Christian brother when we questioned some of his more bizarre statements - such as stating he could lead anyone to Christ if he know their "unmet needs."


8 posted on 12/20/2006 3:11:46 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: Campion
Is "healthy behavior" a code phrase for something ... ?

If it is I'm not sure I want to know...

9 posted on 12/20/2006 11:16:42 PM PST by Gamecock (Pelagianism is the natural heresy of zealous Christians who are not interested in theology. J.I.P.)
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lol great graphic!


10 posted on 12/21/2006 4:37:24 PM PST by Terriergal (All your church are belong to us! --- The Purpose Driven Church)
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To: Gamecock
Rick Warren is fast becoming the kidney stone of Protestantism. One can only pray that he will pass quickly.
11 posted on 12/21/2006 4:48:23 PM PST by HarleyD ("You in Your mercy have led forth the people which You have redeemed." Ex 15:13)
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To: Gamecock
You left out the best graphic!

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12 posted on 12/21/2006 4:51:06 PM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Gamecock
I beg your pardon Mr. Warren, but there have been many churches over
for the past 20+ years without fanfare, PR and national media attention
have faithfully served the Lord and those that are HIV positive in
very sacrificial and profound ways.


I know some VERY conservative folks in the mainstream Churches of Christ
who've been rendering quiet, compassionate assistance to AIDS sufferers.
Since the 1980s.

Where has Rick Warren been all this time?
13 posted on 12/21/2006 4:53:29 PM PST by VOA
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To: TommyDale

LOL!


14 posted on 12/21/2006 8:11:13 PM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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