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Should Catholic priests have the right to marry?
beliefnet.com/blogs/crunchycon ^ | Wednesday, December 06, 2006 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 12/16/2006 1:07:45 PM PST by Zemo

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To: marajade
I am through responding to your ad hominem statements. It is quite obvious that you have not read or considered anything I have written. If you have any other questions, you will find the answers HERE:

Catechism of the Catholic Church

241 posted on 12/17/2006 1:56:22 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

"to your ad hominem statements."

Where have I committed this crime?


242 posted on 12/17/2006 1:57:34 PM PST by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

See #241.


243 posted on 12/17/2006 1:58:42 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Again, how have I personally attacked you because I am questioning what you say you believe from scripture?


244 posted on 12/17/2006 2:00:08 PM PST by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: wagglebee

235 was the most recent.


245 posted on 12/17/2006 2:00:20 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: marajade

You wrote:

"But we are talking about Rome, Italy not Babylon, Egypt."

Incorrect. We are arguing over what "Babylon" meant to first century Christians. There were two cities called Babylon as their formal name. One city, Rome, was called Babylon in the NT and other Jewish and Christian writings as a code word to describe its decadence. Those are the facts. That's what we've been talking about.

I point out that there is a Babylon in Egypt -- and of course no Protestant here knew that -- to show that Protestants who insist that all the early Christians had no idea of what they were talking about when reading Peter's use of "Babylon" not only make a false assumption, but make such an assumption based on very limited knowledge (i.e. there are two Babylons, not just one).


246 posted on 12/17/2006 2:00:28 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: wagglebee

How is talking about the truth of the scripture a personal attack? I beg you to explain that to me. Thank you.


247 posted on 12/17/2006 2:02:21 PM PST by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: vladimir998

"One city, Rome, was called Babylon in the NT..."

Where in the NT was Rome called Babylon.


248 posted on 12/17/2006 2:03:16 PM PST by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

ad hominem: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem

I never said you attacked me personally.


249 posted on 12/17/2006 2:07:35 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

"appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect."

Again, what is your specific charge?


250 posted on 12/17/2006 2:12:06 PM PST by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I can't seem to put my hands on the exact statistics now, but I've read that the various dioceses diverge widely in the numbers of seminarians per 10,000 Catholics. The most successful Dioceses attract 2, 5, or 10 times as many seminarians than others, in proportion to their Catholic population.

IIRC, there are even single parishes that have produced more seminarians than some whole dioceses.

Since they all have the same celibacy requirement, it looks like other factors are at work here. I daresay that the dioceses most successful in attracting ordinands, are the ones who offer a strongly clear-cut fidelity to the teachings of the Church, loyalty to the Pope, and a highly "defined" role for its priests (without the blurred lines of a laicized clergy and clericalized laity.)

If any FReepers can help me find these comparative diocesan statistics, I'd be much obliged.

251 posted on 12/17/2006 2:12:50 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Pastores vos dabo)
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To: marajade

Your post #235 TOTALLY misconstrued what I wrote in #232.


252 posted on 12/17/2006 2:13:44 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

IIRC, Anglican monks and nuns still take vows of celibacy.


253 posted on 12/17/2006 2:15:00 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: marajade

(sigh) Not able to master google? Don't own a Bible or Bible concordance?

1 Peter 5:13

here for the rest (according to Protestant ISBE):

http://www.studylight.org/enc/isb/view.cgi?number=T1074


254 posted on 12/17/2006 2:15:45 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

Are you sure? Because there are also references to that Babylon in Revelation from 1 Peter 5:13 that that Babylon isn't positive.


255 posted on 12/17/2006 2:18:45 PM PST by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Mrs. Don-o,

You are right. There are some parishes that produce more vocations than entire dioceses these days. Lincoln, Nebraska has two full seminaries ! I remember ten years ago when Arlington Virginia (a new diocese then) was ordaining more people than Los Angeles!!!


256 posted on 12/17/2006 2:19:38 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: wagglebee

What did I misconstrue?

Again, what belief do I have that is false?


257 posted on 12/17/2006 2:21:02 PM PST by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

You wrote:

"Are you sure? Because there are also references to that Babylon in Revelation from 1 Peter 5:13 that that Babylon isn't positive."

Isn't positive? You mean according to some Protestants? I am sure that is the case!!! LOL!!! I'll trust my Christian ancestors over Protestants any day. Can you present any actual evidence to the contrary? Have anything besides an anti-Catholic burning in the bosom sort of thing goin' for ya' in terms of evidence? Anything at all? Anything?


258 posted on 12/17/2006 2:23:33 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: marajade

You misconstrued what I said.

Again, the fallacies of your beliefs are explained in the Catechism that I linked for you in #241.


259 posted on 12/17/2006 2:23:51 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Kolokotronis
...to seduce him with the smells of Orthodoxy to the end he'd leave. Sneaky Latins!

You caught us! Man, can't sneak anything past you. Fact is, we definitely got him incensed. And now he's en-chanted with y'all.

Ta.

260 posted on 12/17/2006 2:25:46 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Crunchy Cherubic)
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