Posted on 12/16/2006 1:07:45 PM PST by Zemo
"to your ad hominem statements."
Where have I committed this crime?
See #241.
Again, how have I personally attacked you because I am questioning what you say you believe from scripture?
235 was the most recent.
You wrote:
"But we are talking about Rome, Italy not Babylon, Egypt."
Incorrect. We are arguing over what "Babylon" meant to first century Christians. There were two cities called Babylon as their formal name. One city, Rome, was called Babylon in the NT and other Jewish and Christian writings as a code word to describe its decadence. Those are the facts. That's what we've been talking about.
I point out that there is a Babylon in Egypt -- and of course no Protestant here knew that -- to show that Protestants who insist that all the early Christians had no idea of what they were talking about when reading Peter's use of "Babylon" not only make a false assumption, but make such an assumption based on very limited knowledge (i.e. there are two Babylons, not just one).
How is talking about the truth of the scripture a personal attack? I beg you to explain that to me. Thank you.
"One city, Rome, was called Babylon in the NT..."
Where in the NT was Rome called Babylon.
ad hominem: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem
I never said you attacked me personally.
"appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect."
Again, what is your specific charge?
IIRC, there are even single parishes that have produced more seminarians than some whole dioceses.
Since they all have the same celibacy requirement, it looks like other factors are at work here. I daresay that the dioceses most successful in attracting ordinands, are the ones who offer a strongly clear-cut fidelity to the teachings of the Church, loyalty to the Pope, and a highly "defined" role for its priests (without the blurred lines of a laicized clergy and clericalized laity.)
If any FReepers can help me find these comparative diocesan statistics, I'd be much obliged.
Your post #235 TOTALLY misconstrued what I wrote in #232.
IIRC, Anglican monks and nuns still take vows of celibacy.
(sigh) Not able to master google? Don't own a Bible or Bible concordance?
1 Peter 5:13
here for the rest (according to Protestant ISBE):
http://www.studylight.org/enc/isb/view.cgi?number=T1074
Are you sure? Because there are also references to that Babylon in Revelation from 1 Peter 5:13 that that Babylon isn't positive.
Mrs. Don-o,
You are right. There are some parishes that produce more vocations than entire dioceses these days. Lincoln, Nebraska has two full seminaries ! I remember ten years ago when Arlington Virginia (a new diocese then) was ordaining more people than Los Angeles!!!
What did I misconstrue?
Again, what belief do I have that is false?
You wrote:
"Are you sure? Because there are also references to that Babylon in Revelation from 1 Peter 5:13 that that Babylon isn't positive."
Isn't positive? You mean according to some Protestants? I am sure that is the case!!! LOL!!! I'll trust my Christian ancestors over Protestants any day. Can you present any actual evidence to the contrary? Have anything besides an anti-Catholic burning in the bosom sort of thing goin' for ya' in terms of evidence? Anything at all? Anything?
You misconstrued what I said.
Again, the fallacies of your beliefs are explained in the Catechism that I linked for you in #241.
You caught us! Man, can't sneak anything past you. Fact is, we definitely got him incensed. And now he's en-chanted with y'all.
Ta.
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