[bremenboy]

I hate the doctrine of immaculate conception because it is false and that is all the reason I need.

Rev 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

[DogwoodSouth]

I've always wondered why non-Catholics feel the need to "hate" whatever Christian doctrines that they, for whatever reason, choose to reject. The proclamation that the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, for example, is "false" seems trite in light of the fact that there is no explicit Scriptural basis for many doctrines adhered to by those who chose to separate themselves from the historic and apostolic Church.

I'm operating under the assumption here that a doctrine becomes "false" for these followers of Christ whenever it is not explicitly mentioned in Scripture. But many of the most basic shared tenets of the apostolic faith are not explicit but only implicit in Sacred Scripture. Our current, detailed theology of the relationship between the Persons of Trinity and the nature of Christ come to mind, to name only two examples. These doctrines are not explicitly Scriptural but are only implicit in Scripture. Our detailed doctrines regarding these issues hail from the Holy Spirit's guidance of numerous ecumenical Councils.

Similarly, doctrines such as Mary's perpetual virginity and her immaculate conception are implicit in Scripture. At the very least, one would think that those who don't adhere to these doctrines, would have a "live and let live attitude" knowing that while such doctrines may not come to light in their particular (and rather new) understanding of "sola Scriptura," these beliefs are not in conflict with their own.

Just my two cents for the benefit of open discussion.

[Campion]

So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

The "doctrine of the Nicolaitans" involved sexual promiscuity, so I have no idea why you think it's relevant here. Do you?

[adiaireton8]

I hate the doctrine of immaculate conception because it is false

How do you know it is false?

-A8

[Salvation]

** because it is false and that is all the reason I need.**

You are wrong. Why would the Angel Gabriel have addressed Mary in the following way if she were impure?

"Hail, Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with you.

[Salvation]

So what part exactly of St. Luke's Gospel is false?

Gospel
Lk 1:26-38

The angel Gabriel was sent from God
to a town of Galilee called Nazareth,
to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph,
of the house of David,
and the virgin’s name was Mary.
And coming to her, he said,
“Hail, full of grace! The Lord is with you.”
But she was greatly troubled at what was said
and pondered what sort of greeting this might be.
Then the angel said to her,
“Do not be afraid, Mary,
for you have found favor with God.
Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son,
and you shall name him Jesus.
He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High,
and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father,
and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever,
and of his Kingdom there will be no end.”
But Mary said to the angel,
“How can this be,
since I have no relations with a man?”
And the angel said to her in reply,
“The Holy Spirit will come upon you,
and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.
Therefore the child to be born
will be called holy, the Son of God.
And behold, Elizabeth, your relative,
has also conceived a son in her old age,
and this is the sixth month for her who was called barren;
for nothing will be impossible for God.”
Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord.
May it be done to me according to your word.”
Then the angel departed from her.

[Salvation]

Another translation for you as well as a commentary. Again I ask, "Just what part is false?

to be the spiritual Mother of all mankind. What Christ says when He is
dying--`Behold, your son..., behold, your mother" (John 19:26-27) --
simply promulgates what came about silently at Nazareth. "With her
generous `fiat' (Mary) became, through the working of the Spirit, the
Mother of God, but also the Mother of the living, and, by receiving into
her womb the one Mediator, she became the true Ark of the Covenant
and true Temple of God" (Paul VI, "Marialis Cultus", 6).

The Annunciation shows us the Blessed Virgin as perfect model of
"purity" (the RSV "I have no husband" is a euphemism); of "humility"
("Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord"); of "candor" and "simplicity"
("How can this be?"); of "obedience" and "lively faith" ("Let it be done
to me according to your word"). "Following her example of obedience
to God, we can learn to serve delicately without being slavish. In Mary,
we don't find the slightest trace of the attitude of the foolish virgins, who
obey, but thoughtlessly. Our Lady listens attentively to what God
wants, ponders what she doesn't fully understand and asks about what
she doesn't know. Then she gives herself completely to doing the di-
vine will: `Behold I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be done to me
according to your word'. Isn't that marvellous? The Blessed Virgin, our
teacher in all we do, shows us here that obedience to God is not servile,
does not bypass our conscience. We should be inwardly moved to
discover the `freedom of the children of God' (cf. Romans 8:21)" ([St]
J. Escriva, "Christ Is Passing By", 173).

[RichardMoore]

When the angel appeared to Mary in the Gospel his name for her was "Full of Grace." Those words come from the Holy Spirit. She is not a goddess, she is the mother of Jesus, our Savior. We are brothers in Christ Jesus and Mary is our mother. What son would not "Honor his mother and Father?"