Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Story of Guadalupe: Hope for Our Violent World
CatholicExchange.com ^ | 12-12-06 | Mark Armstrong

Posted on 12/12/2006 10:30:49 AM PST by Salvation

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-53 next last
To: Zetman
the San Francisco Chronicle has an exact opposite view of this movie. It says in this 12/11/06 article (via an "expert" they interviewed) that Gibson was 100% wrong in his depiction of the ancient Maya culture

And in Iran they are holding a conference saying that the Holocaust never happened!

What I find amazing is that the large numbers of Mexican converts almost equaled the number who turned away in the Reformation in Europe.

21 posted on 12/12/2006 3:55:57 PM PST by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

A truly remarkable, beautiful story, thanks for posting.


22 posted on 12/12/2006 4:04:37 PM PST by khnyny (God Bless the Republic for which it stands)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: FourtySeven; Carolina

**It seems it was, which is just amazing!**

Our priest related several miracles connected with the tilma.
First, the material will disintegrate in a period of years -- don't know the exact reason, but it might be connected with some kind of plant fiber -- I really don't know. It's still there today!

They had lots of candles burning under it for a long time -- Our santuary light is below cloth that covers our speakers and the cloth has to be replaced every so often because of the soot stain. The tilma has not been damaged by soot.

The Communists, in an effort to wipe out the last bastion of Catholicity in Mexico, set off a bomb below the case that holds the tilma. A metal cross was bent backwards over 30 degrees and all the windows on the church were blown out, but the glass protecting the tilma image was not broken.

The building has a huge fire, and everything inside was damaged, but the case with the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe survived the fire. Whether that fire is connected with the bombing, I don't know. This last one was one that I had heard about. Our priest mentioned the others today.


23 posted on 12/12/2006 5:10:44 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Zetman

I think I will choose not to believe the SF Chronicle.

(Can't fault them that badly, because an ad in the Chronicle brought our family out of California to Oregon! LOL!


24 posted on 12/12/2006 5:12:17 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Miss Marple

Sounds wonderful. Carry on! You are such an inspiration!


25 posted on 12/12/2006 5:13:10 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Vicomte13
Here are some additional links, a couple on the sicnece side:

Our Lady of Guadalupe: Protectress of the Unborn

Was Our Lady of Guadalupe Wrong?

METHODIST CHURCH DISPLAYS VIRGIN OF GUADALUPE

GUADALUPE DEVOTION IS CROSSING INTO PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS

 
A Novena to Our Lady of Guadalupe

Relic From Guadalupe Tilma to Tour U.S.

The Amazing Truth of Our Lady of Guadalupe

Our Lady Of Guadalupe

Celebrating 470 years of an ongoing miracle, the apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe 1531

Science Stunned by Virgin of Guadalupe´s Eyes

OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE [Read only]


26 posted on 12/12/2006 5:15:22 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

Comment #27 Removed by Moderator

To: huldah1776

**God blesses pro-lifers, not nations that practice child sacrifice.**

Amen!


28 posted on 12/12/2006 5:17:19 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Texagirl4W

Glad to help.


29 posted on 12/12/2006 5:17:59 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: khnyny

You're welcome, friend.


30 posted on 12/12/2006 5:18:27 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Salvation
"... but then on December 12, 1531, Mary provided a sign that convinced the bishop that Juan Diego spoke the truth."

Is this the first recorded appearance of Mary?

31 posted on 12/12/2006 5:20:24 PM PST by wmfights (Romans 8:37-39)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All
Tuesday, December 12
Our Lady of Guadalupe

The Answer Beginning to Happen

Bishop Zumarraga prayed to Our Lady for help in what was an impossible situation. How could he convert a people who were too terrified of their gods to turn away from them? How could he ever unite under the banner of Christ the Spanish and the Aztecs, when there was so much reason for each to be suspicious of the other? As the Bishop prayed, Our Lady quietly appeared on an unimportant hill to a poor Aztec. At the very moment Zummarraga was longing for help, the answer was already beginning to happen. The Jewish people longed for their kingdom to be restored and to last for ever, as had been promised to the great King David. As the Jewish people prayed for a messiah to deliver them, an angel was appearing to a young girl in the little known northern town of Nazareth. As they prayed for deliverance, the answer was already beginning to happen. As we pray that God’s kingdom come through Jesus Christ, do we pray with faith that the answer to our prayers is already beginning to happen? Do we recognize the seemingly insignificant ways that God is already breaking into our lives? Are we aware that God has chosen us as those seemingly insignificant instruments through which he will manifest the coming of his Kingdom?


Reflection based on Luke 1:26-38

Father Richard Veras

Loving Father, let me be aware of all the ways that you offer yourself to me in even the least significant circumstances of my life.

32 posted on 12/12/2006 6:06:22 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Miss Marple

Bush v. Gore decided December 12th, 2000.

Hussein captured December 12th, 2003.

I think Our Lady of Guadalupe has been taking special care of us these last few years.


33 posted on 12/12/2006 6:17:27 PM PST by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

Bump!


34 posted on 12/12/2006 6:24:43 PM PST by Tribune7 (Conservatives hold bad behavior against their leaders. Dims don't.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mockingbyrd

I hope she continues.


35 posted on 12/12/2006 6:25:09 PM PST by Tribune7 (Conservatives hold bad behavior against their leaders. Dims don't.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: mockingbyrd

I agree. Thanks for reminding me!


36 posted on 12/12/2006 6:58:11 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, thank you for Mozart Lover's son's safe return, and look after Jemian's son, please!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: wmfights

Nope. There were definitely a few in the first millenium as well.


37 posted on 12/12/2006 7:04:51 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Miss Marple

"I am on the committee for the SOlemn Mass of Our Lady of Guadalupe which will be held this evening at our large Midwestern church. We will have flags of the Americas, children dressed in native costumes, a procession, and a dinner. I have been over helping decorate the church.
Most of the people on the committee are not Hispanic, but Anglo. A lot of people don't know that she is the patroness of ALL of the Americas."

I am proud to have "met" you.

For a few years my husband got our priest to have a Holy Eucharist adoration from 9 p.m. on Dec. 8 to 1 a.m. on Dec. 9 for preborn babies.


38 posted on 12/12/2006 7:37:03 PM PST by Sun (*MERRY CHRISTMAS!* And during this beautiful season, let's all pray for good to win over evil soon!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Sun; Salvation; NYer; SunkenCiv
I saw the film "Apocalypto" over the weekend and I would highly recommend it for viewing. I even saw some parents taking their older children to see this "R"-rated film. Let me say that the violence is not excessive for the subject matter and is all part of the plot. In fact, Mel pulled his punches on several occasions (I don't want to spoil anyone by giving details). The violence is more like something you'd see in "Conan the Barbarian" or the "Xena" TV show. There's human sacrifice, but it's part of the plot. This is NOT "Rambo in the jungle", it carries deeper connotations.

It was pretty clear to me that this film is a metaphor for a decayed and dying USA which is rotting from within because it kills its children. Mel opens the film with the printed statement, No civilization is ever conquered from without unless it first decays from within" (something to that effect). This film also could be seen as a metaphor for a nation under attack by terroristic outside forces, and the only way to save ourselves is to be strong, as strong as we can be, because only we ourselves can protect our own family.

The characters are very appealing. Respect is shown to aged men and women. Even the villains, vile as they are, are portrayed with a degree of humanity.

Mel has included "religious" themed comments. When the captive Indians are marched away from their village, the youngest children are left behind as unneeded, left to fend for themselves. A woman captive looks back and prays aloud, apparently to their goddess, "Blessed Mother Ochotl, look after them and protect them."

In another scene, the bad guys begin to figure out that a lot of bad luck is coming their way because they've been hurting the hero, a young man named "Jaquar", and one prays to their god, "Father, forgive us for our trespasses against your holy son Jaguar".

This film is a story about a man trying to protect his family. It's very watchable. I had no problem at all following the subtitles.

My only criticism was an unnecessary use of the "f" word in the subtitles, in a phrase "he's f---ed" meaning "his goose is cooked". It got a cheap laugh and I guess Mel did it for his male audience.

39 posted on 12/12/2006 8:48:59 PM PST by Ciexyz (I highly recommend "Apocalypto" - raves, raves, raves.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Salvation
Can't fault them that badly, because an ad in the Chronicle brought our family out of California to Oregon! LOL!

Well finally!! Something good that came out of the SF Chronicle!! I knew there had to be one good thing somewhere!!

: )

BTW - I thought all the libs were leaving the Bay Area and moving to Oregon. Is it actually better up there than it is down here??
40 posted on 12/12/2006 9:24:34 PM PST by Zetman (I believe the children are the next generation.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-53 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson