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To: Uncle Chip
What? This was not enough? Now that I have shown you that the KJV is a retro-translated fake bible you are switching gears and getting into historical speculations.

Are you saying that Tyndale did not use the corrupt Textus Receptus that eventually resulted in the KJV?

If everyone in Eastern Europe thought that Codex Alexandrinus or the Alexandrian Sinaiticus and Vaticanus were so pure and authoritative, then why weren't they making more Greek copies of them

They are not as "Christian" as the Church would have liked them to be. Just as Comma Johanneum found its way into the bibles of the West, the Eatsern manuscripts also have their own sellection of additions. The whole library, east and west, is corrupt! Forgeries on top of forgeries!

BTW The KJV was based upon Beza's 1598 Greek Text

The Geneva Bible was largely based on Tyndale's work, which was based on the corrupt Textus Receptus. All this then ended up being dumped into the KJV.

We are just going in circles here looking for a way out, UC.

11,082 posted on 02/24/2007 4:27:34 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Just as Comma Johanneum found its way into the bibles of the West, the Eatsern manuscripts also have their own sellection of additions. The whole library, east and west, is corrupt! Forgeries on top of forgeries!

And by "forgeries", you mean the Byzantine Text, right??? All those Greek Orthodox scribes and monks churning out "forgeries" right under the noses of their own metropolitans and nobody knew it or stopped them. Doesn't sound like the way to run a church, does it? Think about how long it took to make one copy of those "forgeries" --- about a year??? Who was paying the salaries of those Greek scribes in the monasteries and churches all that time???

Well, anyway thank God they were the right kind of "forgeries" --- forgeries of the Byzantine text, you know, the one that is closest to the original autographs. I don't think Paul, John, Matthew and the others minded that copies of their originals were made and disseminated to those who would actually translate them into Bibles that people could read rather than keeping them locked up in some metropolitan's ecclesiastical mausoleum.

The Geneva Bible was largely based on Tyndale's work, which was based on the corrupt Textus Receptus. All this then ended up being dumped into the KJV.

Nope --- Get your facts straight. Beza's 1598 Greek Text was the foundation for the KJV New Testament.

And we Protestants want to thank all of those Greek monks and scribes who worked day and night without pay all those years without anyone knowing it just so that Erasmus, Tyndale, Stephanus, Beza, and the KJV translators could have so many Greek manuscripts to confirm that the Greek text underlying their translation would be the right one.

We are just going in circles here looking for a way out, UC.

We're not --- You are ---

11,087 posted on 02/24/2007 6:32:13 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; Uncle Chip
Are you saying that Tyndale did not use the corrupt Textus Receptus that eventually resulted in the KJV?

Is that why recent edition of Nestles had to backtrack and put back into its text many TR readings?

The TR is the pure textual line, and any edition (Erasmus, Eliezer, Beza etc) is better then any and every edition of the Critical Text.

We know that by the Bible that comes from each text and the fruit that they bear.

11,109 posted on 02/26/2007 2:11:39 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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