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'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480

'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children

By John-Henry Westen

NEW YORK, December 4, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A review of New Line Cinema's The Nativity story by Fr. Angelo Mary Geiger of the Franciscans of the Immaculate in the United States, points out that the film, which opened December 1, misinterprets scripture from a Catholic perspective.

While Fr. Geiger admits that he found the film is "in general, to be a pious and reverential presentation of the Christmas mystery." He adds however, that "not only does the movie get the Virgin Birth wrong, it thoroughly Protestantizes its portrayal of Our Lady."

In Isaiah 7:14 the Bible predicts the coming of the Messiah saying: "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel." Fr. Geiger, in an video blog post, explains that the Catholic Church has taught for over 2000 years that the referenced Scripture showed that Mary would not only conceive the child miraculously, but would give birth to the child miraculously - keeping her physical virginity intact during the birth.

The film, he suggests, in portraying a natural, painful birth of Christ, thus denies the truth of the virginal and miraculous birth of Christ, which, he notes, the Fathers of the Church compared to light passing through glass without breaking it. Fr. Geiger quoted the fourth century St. Augustine on the matter saying. "That same power which brought the body of the young man through closed doors, brought the body of the infant forth from the inviolate womb of the mother."

Fr. Geiger contrasts The Nativity Story with The Passion of the Christ, noting that with the latter, Catholics and Protestants could agree to support it. He suggests, however, that the latter is "a virtual coup against Catholic Mariology".

The characterization of Mary further debases her as Fr. Geiger relates in his review. "Mary in The Nativity lacks depth and stature, and becomes the subject of a treatment on teenage psychology."

Beyond the non-miraculous birth, the biggest let-down for Catholics comes from Director Catherine Hardwicke's own words. Hardwicke explains her rationale in an interview: "We wanted her [Mary] to feel accessible to a young teenager, so she wouldn't seem so far away from their life that it had no meaning for them. I wanted them to see Mary as a girl, as a teenager at first, not perfectly pious from the very first moment. So you see Mary going through stuff with her parents where they say, 'You're going to marry this guy, and these are the rules you have to follow.' Her father is telling her that she's not to have sex with Joseph for a year-and Joseph is standing right there."

Comments Fr. Geiger, "it is rather disconcerting to see Our Blessed Mother portrayed with 'attitude;' asserting herself in a rather anachronistic rebellion against an arranged marriage, choosing her words carefully with her parents, and posing meaningful silences toward those who do not understand her."

Fr. Geiger adds that the film also contains "an overly graphic scene of St. Elizabeth giving birth," which is "just not suitable, in my opinion, for young children to view."

Despite its flaws Fr. Geiger, after viewing the film, also has some good things to say about it. "Today, one must commend any sincere attempt to put Christ back into Christmas, and this film is certainly one of them," he says. "The Nativity Story in no way compares to the masterpiece which is The Passion of the Christ, but it is at least sincere, untainted by cynicism, and a worthy effort by Hollywood to end the prejudice against Christianity in the public square."

And, in addition to a good portrait of St. Joseph, the film offers "at least one cinematic and spiritual triumph" in portraying the Visitation of Mary to St. Elizabeth. "Although the Magnificat is relegated to a kind of epilogue at the movie's end, the meeting between Mary and Elizabeth is otherwise faithful to the scriptures and quite poignant. In a separate scene, the two women experience the concurrent movement of their children in utero and share deeply in each other's joy. I can't think of another piece of celluloid that illustrates the dignity of the unborn child better than this."

See Fr. Geiger's full review here:
http://airmaria.com/


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholics; christmas; mary; movie; nativity; nativitystory; thenativitystory
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[ Indeed, I do not know what the new heaven and new earth will be like beyond what God has revealed to us in Revelation - but I'm very sure it will be thrilling. ]

There could be a NEW HELL too.. maybe versions of it.. or degrees of it.. or versions and degrees of it.. A positive vision and revelation would preclude mentioning it though..

Could be GOD is going to do a new thing exclipsing the Garden of Eden <<-as a metaphor or TYPE of the Garden of the Universe.. The future looks BRITE to those waiting and even GROANING for these things to happen..

12,641 posted on 04/14/2007 11:58:21 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: marron

Thanks.

Puts masterfully in words chunks of my perspective better than I had been able to.

. . . back to the kiln.


12,642 posted on 04/14/2007 12:00:13 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: hosepipe
Indeed, any of those things could be possible. Whatever it is, I'm sure it'll be wonderful.

Praise God!!!

12,643 posted on 04/14/2007 12:08:51 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
[.. there are certain Hebrew word concepts ..]

Indeed.. these concepts were foreign to ALL other languages and cultures.. for they came from and were inspired by God(the real one).. since the Jews (when/after they became Jews).. were dealt with the real God.. Certain Hebrew words were unique to what God was doing with the hebrews.. like Messiah.. Holy.. Shekinah.. Angel.. in the unique hebrew sense..

Joseph Campbell (the study of myth) missed this unique event.. God(the real one) choosing(even constructing) a certain group of people.. on this planet for a particular TASK..

12,644 posted on 04/14/2007 12:23:44 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe; Kolokotronis; kosta50
No fair, I thought I was the greatest of sinners and the worst of heretics!

No fair!!!! I thought that was me!!!!!!!

As to the latter characterization at least, let me offer proof. :^)

The Protestant denominations tend to have little use for classical philosophy on the grounds that it isn't "scripturally based." I imagine this has to do with St. Paul, who was so "thoroughly Jewish" that he regarded all classical philosophy as "pagan," and thus not trustworthy (according to Voegelin). It took "young radicals" like Justin Martyr to see that Christianity actually validated the insights of the great pagans, such as Plato and Aristotle; whereby in due course they entered into Christian theology, "by the back door" as it were.

Justin at least saw that this Christian theology that he encountered was a more powerful "philosophy" than any offered by the philosophical schools of his time -- or of any other time, I might add. One could further say (as Voegelin does) that without this connection to the classical past becoming explicit over time, Christianity might not have survived. If it were to depend for its life on its identification as a radical Jewish sect, it probably would not have survived....

Christian life, it seems to me, is the life of both faith and reason. The orthodox confessions of Christianity -- Eastern and Roman -- set great store by the life of reason as set forth in the classical philosophy of ancient Greece. The Eastern Orthodox give pride of place to Plato; the Roman Church after Thomas, to Aristotle (whereby you get Plato, too; for Plato was Aristotle's great teacher and a profound influence on his work. Plus Aristotle was the great teacher of Alexander, whose imperial expansion helped spread Christianity to the four quarters of the then-known world).

It seems to me that the Gospel of John has a strongly Platonist "flavor" to it. Which might have something to do with the fact that certain of my Protestant friends, whose formation is essentially Pauline, find John so puzzling....

I am now going to go hunker down in the bomb shelter.... :^)

Thank you oh so much, my dearest sister in Christ, for your splendid essay/post!

12,645 posted on 04/14/2007 12:27:29 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: Kolokotronis; Alamo-Girl; marron; kosta50; hosepipe
I will take the risk and opine that Kosta was not speaking of decay in Creation as being the result of some culpability on the part of inanimate objects. Rather, in accord with The Fathers and the OT, what he is saying is that our sins burden all of Creation and distort it. Some have said that the natural disasters we observe in our lives are the result, generally, not of God’s “wrath” (though sometimes it may well be in a pedagogic sense) but rather distortions in the created order of the universe brought about by our sins. Through us, all creation is a slave of death.

Thus I shall take the risk and completely agree with you!

I am persuaded that God intends man to be a co-creator of creation. When man does not live up to his responsibilities along this line (by living in God's law of Life and Love and Light -- what we are called to do), then all of creation suffers, and must suffer.

Thank you for your magnificent insights, Kolokotronis!

12,646 posted on 04/14/2007 12:32:26 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Quix; Kolokotronis; betty boop; hosepipe; Forest Keeper; annalex; jo kus
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. - I Cor 2:9

I concur. The more we know, the more we realize we know nothing.

12,647 posted on 04/14/2007 12:34:58 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: betty boop; Kolokotronis; Alamo-Girl
No fair, I thought I was the greatest of sinners and the worst of heretics!

This is one contest I prefer to observe from the sidelines, if you know what I mean...

I'll be in the cheering section. Go, team!

12,648 posted on 04/14/2007 12:36:12 PM PDT by marron
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To: Kolokotronis; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe
Some of us, myself included, believe that God chose a time for the Incarnation when Greek was the lingua franca of the Mediterranean world so that the NT would be written in Greek and thus readily available to Greeks.

And then Alexander of Macedon -- who was steeped in Greek language and culture -- facilitated the transmission of the faith to all the lands of his conquest. That is, the classical intellectual culture was also a type of preparation for the dissemination and receipt of Christian ideas.

In short, I share your view regarding this Greek line of transmission....

Thank you so much for writing!

12,649 posted on 04/14/2007 12:43:20 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: marron; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; kosta50; Kolokotronis
"Perfect" is a mental construct. It does not exist in reality. We use it in reference to God, but it doesn't really tell us anything about him, because he defines it, rather than the other way around.

What a penetrating insight, dear marron! Thank you ever so much for writing!

12,650 posted on 04/14/2007 12:46:55 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: betty boop; Quix; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe
God created a "good," not a "perfect" creation

Well said! Biblically correct and clear.

Of course, if creation were not involved in a time process (according to God's Will), then we wouldn't need to be discussing such things....

The "time" Good took to create the world is not earthly time. The "days" in Genesis are not our days. They are not changes but creations that didn't exist prior to that.

One more thing: time "exists" only in relationship to man. We record changes and with those changes "tell time." Without us, changes take place but no one records them. Time is simply a record, not a dimension.

12,651 posted on 04/14/2007 12:47:47 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Quix; betty boop
imho, that notion is afflicted with the Aristotilian/Paltonic solid stuff which presumes there’s a perfect chair somewhere and all other chairs are perversions of that one. Maybe God has lots of different perfect chairs

Maybe there are many "perfect" Gods?

12,652 posted on 04/14/2007 12:49:32 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Alamo-Girl
By his conquering, Alexander the Great, a subject of Daniel's prophesy, normalized the Greek language in the civilized world. Not only that but certain word concepts going as far back as Plato became common knowledge, e.g. Logos.

Jeepers, it's like we've been comparing notes this afternoon, my dearest sister in Christ! LOLOL!!!

I do agree with you, we need to remember that Christianity's heritage is both Hebrew and Greek. Christ then took it all "to the next level."

Must run away for a while to take care of certain chores. But I'll be back soon!

Thank you so much for your beautiful, wise, and graceful essay/posts!

12,653 posted on 04/14/2007 12:52:16 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: Kolokotronis

we also dont generally accept the branch theory...


12,654 posted on 04/14/2007 12:57:55 PM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: betty boop
FUN is composed of two parts.. 1) faith .. 2) reason..

Absent either of these whatever "it" is gets too serious..
And by being too serious also hubris..

12,655 posted on 04/14/2007 1:16:34 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: betty boop
[.. I am persuaded that God intends man to be a co-creator of creation... ]

A very heavy concept "made in his image" does imply much..

12,656 posted on 04/14/2007 1:19:50 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: marron; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[... "Perfect" is a mental construct.. ..]

I beleive the greeks had a word for complete but no word for perfect.. If so it would be logical.. since in this paradigm everything known or observed is in a state of flux.. even GOD(Father, Son, Holy Spirit)..

12,657 posted on 04/14/2007 1:29:13 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: kosta50; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
[ Without us, changes take place but no one records them. Time is simply a record, not a dimension. ]

I agree with that.. i.e. seems logical to me..

In the "Spiritual Dimension"(if there is one) TIME could be thingly..

12,658 posted on 04/14/2007 1:32:32 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
I beleive the greeks had a word for complete but no word for perfect.. If so it would be logical.. since in this paradigm everything known or observed is in a state of flux.. even GOD(Father, Son, Holy Spirit)..

Good point. Probably because I am in time, I don't experience God as eternal. I experience him as motion and purpose. The notion of an unchanging God is not my experience, quite the contrary. Principles are unchanging, but God himself is in motion, at least here in river city.

12,659 posted on 04/14/2007 1:36:41 PM PDT by marron
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To: kosta50
One more thing: time "exists" only in relationship to man. We record changes and with those changes "tell time." Without us, changes take place but no one records them. Time is simply a record, not a dimension.

I used to think of this as you do.

But, it seems that modern scientific observation says otherwise. Time seems to have an effect upon and to interact with velocity, acceleration, mass and gravity.

If it is a fact that it behaves as described above, it would be a dimension, rather than simply a record.

12,660 posted on 04/14/2007 2:13:45 PM PDT by Quester
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