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Vatican experts say Pope may propose reform of liturgical music in coming weeks
Catholic News Agency ^ | November 6, 2006

Posted on 11/06/2006 1:41:11 PM PST by NYer

Vatican City, Nov. 06, 2006 (CNA) - Sources close the Holy See are saying that during his upcoming visit to the St. Cecilia Music Academy Pope Benedict XVI may address the need to recover the quality of sacred music in the liturgical life of the Church.

The feast of St. Cecilia, patroness of music, will be celebrated on November 22, and the Pontiff has announced that during that week he intends to visit the academy of music in Rome that bears the saint’s name.

According to Vatican sources consulted by the Catholic News Agency, the Holy Father, who has expressed his concern over liturgical music, may address the need to recover the place of sacred music, “both Gregorian and polyphonic,” in the Catholic liturgy.

“This pronouncement could even take the form of a ‘Motu Propio,’ an official document issued on the Holy Father’s own initiative,” sources said.

Since the election of Pope Benedict XVI, sacred music has been given greater attention in the Roman liturgy

On November 19, as part of the year of Mozart—one of Pope’s favorite composers—Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, Archbishop of Vienna, will preside at a Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica, in which the famous Philharmonic Orchestra of Vienna will present Mozart’s Mass of Coronation.

Although no time has been official allotted for remarks by the Holy Father, it is possible he will address the faithful at the conclusion of the liturgical celebration.


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To: murphE
The sad fact is that it sounded like the Chipmunks sing Ave Verum, something went wrong in the Windows Player =( .

Here is a video of the Saint Philip's Boys Choir singing Panis Angelicus. Ignore the floating heads, it was big at that time, you'll be able to see the real beauty. Oh, and ignore the faulty translation.

41 posted on 11/06/2006 10:24:03 PM PST by pbear8 (Pray and vote. Vote and pray.)
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To: murphE
Oops. I mean right here
42 posted on 11/06/2006 10:25:54 PM PST by pbear8 (Pray and vote. Vote and pray.)
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To: murphE

Thank you for posting! That was amazing to hear. Truly sacred.


43 posted on 11/06/2006 10:27:48 PM PST by baa39 (Quid hoc ad aeternitatem?)
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To: NYer
"Vatican experts say Pope may propose reform of liturgical music in coming weeks"

I find it repugnant when a person in a spiritual leadership role is not compelled by prayer alone to do what is right to shepard the faithful of His Church.

Sending up 'trial balloons' to 'test the waters' smacks of applying this world politics to matters spiritually sacred.

44 posted on 11/06/2006 11:49:39 PM PST by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: flaglady47

I never dreamed the day would come when events in the Holy See would hold such fascination for this hard-core Calvinist. Truly our God has a wide and wonderful family, and I rejoice to see Him glorified in the Catholic communion. I love to watch Christians who take their faith seriously in action.


45 posted on 11/06/2006 11:54:05 PM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Robert Drobot

I don't think the Pope is the one sending up "trial balloons." Many of these things are leaked to the press by opponents in order to give a heads-up to the opposition. We are seeing that happen with the supposed motu propio on the Tridentine Rite: it was leaked long enough ago so that there is now consolidated opposition to it, even though nobody knows what it is actually going to say. But the French bishops as much as announced this weekend that they had killed it; it's going out for "consultations" and they assured their followers that there would be nothing to worry about.

Of course, even when things aren't leaked, they don't seem to get a much better reception. The instructions on the handling of liturgical vessels is simply being ignored, even by good bishops. The latter are ignoring it quietly, saying they'll do something about it if they ever "have to," because they have received so much opposition from their disobedient and lazy priests who are in turn no doubt afraid of the EEMs. Bad bishops, like Roger Mahony, have simply come out and said they don't plan to do anything.

The Pope has a tremendous amount of opposition to work against and I pray for him every day. I was worried about his going to Turkey, but frankly, these days, I'd be more worried about his going to France. I hope he has a food taster.


46 posted on 11/07/2006 3:48:43 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
All that you argue could be accepted, but for the fact that the Holy Father need only call his secretary to take dictation on drafting, finalizing and issuing, an ex cathedra encyclical on appropriate music for Holy Mass.

That non-Catholics pretending to represent Holy Mother Church in the United States and elsewhere are refusing to abide by the direction of the Vicar of Christ says volumes about the stupidity of reducing the authority of the pope to that of equality with all other bishops of the Church.

Vatican II is looming larger than the standing of this lowly bishop of Rome. Time to toss this baby with the bathwater.

47 posted on 11/07/2006 1:21:26 PM PST by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: Robert Drobot
Time to toss this baby with the bathwater.

What does this mean? What specifically do you mean by "toss", and what specifically do you mean by "this baby"?

48 posted on 11/07/2006 1:27:12 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
When the Vicar of Christ is being inhibited in meeting his sacred duties by the likes of Mahoney who publicly flaunts his refusal to follow directions from Rome, one must look to the underlying cancer of this defiance.
49 posted on 11/07/2006 1:37:09 PM PST by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

....and cut away the cancer.


50 posted on 11/07/2006 1:38:17 PM PST by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: Robert Drobot
I asked you to be specific. #49 and #50 are remarkable for their lack of specificity.

1) What specific, concrete, identifiable action do you mean by "toss"?

2) What specific, concrete, identifiable entity do you mean by "this baby"?

51 posted on 11/07/2006 1:41:40 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
As I wrote, Vatican II is looming larger than the standing of this lowly bishop of Rome. The cancer I write of is Vatican II (the baby) and all of its' inconsistencies (the bathwater) with Sacred Dogma and Tradition.
52 posted on 11/07/2006 1:46:44 PM PST by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: Robert Drobot
Thank you for a concrete, specific answer.

I disagree, of course ... as I have long maintained on this forum: every problem which erupted in the Church in the late 1960s and early 1970s existed in some form within the Church prior to the II Vatican Council, and none of them were called for by said Council.

53 posted on 11/07/2006 1:51:20 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Using the word 'toss' I was intending to indicate 'delete', 'remove', 'repeal', 'eliminate'.
54 posted on 11/07/2006 1:52:17 PM PST by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: Robert Drobot

Again, thank you for the specificity. Misunderstandings due to veiled or cryptic language have no place in a discussion of this nature.


55 posted on 11/07/2006 1:54:12 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: GMMAC

Apple Tree.


56 posted on 11/07/2006 2:06:54 PM PST by ichabod1 (Vote Republican -- if only to hear The Squealing of the Rats.)
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To: baa39

Ah hates bishoprics.


57 posted on 11/07/2006 2:11:23 PM PST by ichabod1 (Vote Republican -- if only to hear The Squealing of the Rats.)
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To: livius

Seems like the biggest power the Pope has is replacing those Cardinals when the time comes.


58 posted on 11/07/2006 2:18:28 PM PST by ichabod1 (Vote Republican -- if only to hear The Squealing of the Rats.)
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To: ichabod1

Raise you 'On eagle's wings'.


59 posted on 11/07/2006 2:25:45 PM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"Misunderstandings due to veiled or cryptic language have no place in a discussion of this nature."

I must, in this instance, expand upon my obvious ambiguous referrance to 'Sacred Dogma' for your edification. You chose not to request what Sacred Dogma I meant, so I will provide you a greater enhancemenet of The Truth, for the reason that a study of the below Sacred Doma, by you, seeems appropriate :

Pope Boniface VIII's Unam Sanctam
Pope Leo X's Exsurge Domine
Pope Paul IV's Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio
Pope Saint Pius V's De Defectibus and Quo Primum and Consueverunt Romani
Pope Benedict XII's Benedictus Deus
Pope Gregory XVI's Mirari Vos
Pope Pius IX's Syllabus of Errors
Pope Leo XIII's Humanus Genus and Immortale Dei and Satis Cognitum
Pope Saint Pius X's Oath Against Modernism and Pascendi Dominici Gregis and Lamentabili Sane and Our Apostolic Mandate
Pope Pius XI's Mortalium Animos and Quas Primas
Pope Pius XII's Mediator Dei and Sacramentum Ordinis

Links to the above can be found at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1732015/reply?c=11

In Christ,
Robert

60 posted on 11/07/2006 2:26:56 PM PST by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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