[annalex]

Your both quotes, outside of their proper context and in the sense you quote them, reflect Gnostic beliefs in evilhood of flesh, condemned by the Church a long time ago.

[Iscool]

Your both quotes, outside of their proper context and in the sense you quote them, reflect Gnostic beliefs in evilhood of flesh, condemned by the Church a long time ago.

Might be Gnostic as far as your church is concerned...But the bible has a different view:

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

[PetroniusMaximus]

"Your both quotes, outside of their proper context and in the sense you quote them, reflect Gnostic beliefs in evilhood of flesh, condemned by the Church a long time ago."



In my reading of the NT, generally speaking, I find that the "flesh" does not refer to the physical human body, but to the fallen nature - all that we are apart from God.

This is not Gnosticism. The Bible nowhere condemns the physical creation as evil per se - even though it is under the curse. What it condemns in the fallen nature. Paul was referring to this when he said "In me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing."

Paul was clear that the unchanged human being can not enter the Kingdom. The human body must be changed before it can be in the presence of God.