[Iscool]

Your both quotes, outside of their proper context and in the sense you quote them, reflect Gnostic beliefs in evilhood of flesh, condemned by the Church a long time ago.

Might be Gnostic as far as your church is concerned...But the bible has a different view:

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

[annalex]

Unless you are Catholic or Orthodox, you have no clue what the Bible says.

Go troll somewhere else.

[Conservative til I die]

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for

So you believe the flesh is evil? The gnostic charge stands then.