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This is part one of a six-part article series. Parts two through six will be posted on successive days.

No one ever argues that the Bible commands us to be righteous in general. This article series makes the argument that the Bible gets more specific than that. Some Presbyterians follow the Regulative Principle of Worship - theonomy sounds like the same idea, but applied to the rest of life.

1 posted on 09/04/2006 7:37:25 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Ping for later.


2 posted on 09/04/2006 7:52:39 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: Alex Murphy

Theonomy -- not something I, nor any rational person, would want to live under.


3 posted on 09/04/2006 10:33:31 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Alex Murphy

I'll stick with Torah, thanks.


4 posted on 09/04/2006 10:51:28 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Alex Murphy
WHAT IS THEONOMY?

Sounds like nothing more or less than a Christian-flavored Sharia Law.

This position has caused concern among many Christians, because theonomists advocate that many of the capital crimes of the Old Covenant are to be punished by execution, as they were in the Old Covenant. For instance, Deuteronomy 21 prescribes the execution for an unrepentant, incorrigible child.

Coming soon to a stadium near you:

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6 posted on 09/04/2006 11:37:28 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Alex Murphy; Jim Robinson
8. We want civil government to punish evil doers according to biblical sanctions. We want all moral laws of the Old Testament to be enforced according to biblical standards.

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This position has caused concern among many Christians, because theonomists advocate that many of the capital crimes of the Old Covenant are to be punished by execution, as they were in the Old Covenant. For instance, Deuteronomy 21 prescribes the execution for an unrepentant, incorrigible child.

So much for a Free Republic.

Jim, how is this more acceptable than advocating socialism, which would get a poster banned? Is this what you want from your website?

14 posted on 09/04/2006 3:30:08 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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It's amazing that people reflexively denounce theonomy when it is a conservative worldview that simply says men should abide by the moral laws of the Old Testament and the New Testament.

Theonomy simply acknowledges there is God's law...and then there's everything else. And this is the point where the debate ought to begin.

The people yelling the loudest here are those who see the world in shades of gray.
15 posted on 09/04/2006 3:48:50 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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Then more may be converted through faith in Christ as Lord and Savior

Um, no they can't. If there is "limited atonement," you can't have more conversions. There is a predetermined number of atonements and no more.

29 posted on 09/04/2006 5:54:29 PM PDT by Larry Lucido ("There's no problem so big that government intervention can't make it worse.")
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but to work for regeneration of individuals and families at the local level and to reform the church by teaching correct doctrine especially in the area of biblical law

Work for regeneration???????????? Do I hear Spurgeon spinning in his grave?

31 posted on 09/04/2006 5:58:29 PM PDT by Larry Lucido ("There's no problem so big that government intervention can't make it worse.")
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Communities will have been reconstructed through personal regeneration

Going to Amazon to get my copy of "The Complete How-To Guide To Personal Regeneration."

33 posted on 09/04/2006 6:02:07 PM PDT by Larry Lucido ("There's no problem so big that government intervention can't make it worse.")
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...reconstructed through personal regeneration so that the majority of the electorate will be Christian..."

Oh great, now we will have 'personal regeneration' camps in remote areas for all those who don't conform. How is this different from North Korea or Iran?

35 posted on 09/04/2006 6:11:16 PM PDT by Cruising Speed
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Would-be tyrants like this are why we have the 2nd Amendment.

We advocate self-government with liberty.

Right. You are free to do exactly as I say.

44 posted on 09/05/2006 11:57:34 AM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: Alex Murphy
 
Theonomy means literally, "God's law," or the belief that the moral laws of the Old Testament are still binding today.
 
Too bad.......

The law and the gospel
 

     The Law is the do’s and don’t’s of moral behavior. God gave the Law so that people would have a guide to live by and a standard by which they might recognize God’s purity and their sinfulness. There are 613 commandments in the OT They oversee moral, judicial, and religious behavior.
     The Law is a reflection of the character of God because the Law comes forth from the very heart of God. The Bible says out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks (Matt. 12:34).  When God gave the Law, He was speaking out of the abundance of His heart. He was speaking from what was in Him. Therefore, the Law is good, pure, right, and holy. It is wrong to lie, because it is against God’s nature to lie. It is wrong to steal because it is against God’s nature to steal.
     This Law, then, by its very nature of coming out of the heart of God, and being spoken to men, is a standard for human conduct, a perfect standard. Because it was perfect, and we are not, it is impossible for sinful people to keep. It was for this reason that the Law became a stumbling block. It became an obstacle to Man because it is an unattainable perfect standard. The Law, then, brings about the opposite of what it requires. The Law says to be perfect, but shows you where you are not. It says to be holy but condemns you when you are not. Since it is not possible for us to keep the Law and therefore earn our position with God, we then need the holiness of God given to us -- because there simply isn’t any way for us to attain to the standard of God. Therefore, "...the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith," (Gal. 3:24). That is, the Law shows us that we can’t get to God by what we do. We need the grace of God in Christ Jesus manifested in His sacrifice. 

  1. The Law reveals our sinfulness.
    1. "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin," (Rom. 3:20).
    2. "What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, ‘Do not covet,’" (Rom. 7:7).
  2. The Law is for those who are not under grace.
    1. "Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God," (Rom. 3:19).
    2. "For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace," (Rom. 6:14).
  3. The Law justifies no one.
    1. "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law," (Rom. 3:20).
  4. The Law makes no concessions; it makes demands.
    1. "Cursed is every man who does not abide by everything written in the book of the law to perform them," (Gal. 3:10).
  5. The Law is spiritual: It works on the Spirit, not on the body.
    1. "For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh," (Rom. 7:14).
    2. "Thou shalt not..." applies to the heart, not the body.
  6. We are made righteous in God’s eyes by grace apart from the Law of God.
    1. "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law," (Rom. 3:28).
    2. "Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom. 5:1).
    3. "know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified," (Gal. 2:16).
  7. The Law brings judgment.
    1. "...because law brings wrath," (Rom. 4:15).
  8. The Law prepares us for the gospel
    1. The Law shows us that the free gift of the gospel is the only way to attain righteousness.
    2. "The law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith," (Gal. 3:24).
      1. Being saved by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8) is only found in the Christian religion. Only Christianity has the message of free, unearned, grace.
  9. The Law is for the ungodly.
    1. "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God," (1 Tim. 1:8-11).
  • The Law differs from the gospel in:
    1. The manner of revelation.
      1. The Law is revealed in the hearts of man.
        1. "For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts..." (Rom. 2:14-15).
        2. It would be impossible to convert anyone if the Law had not been written on their hearts because the Law reveals sin (Rom. 3:20).
      2. The gospel is by direct revelation; it is not written on the heart.
        1. "Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand," (1 Cor. 15:1).
    2. Contents.
      1. The Law tells what people are to do (our works). It makes demands (Deut. 27:26).
      2. The Gospel reveals what God is doing (God’s work). Therefore, it makes no demands on us except faith (Rom. 6:23).
      3. The Law is the list of do’s and don’t’s (Exodus 20)
      4. The Gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus for sins (1 Cor. 15:1-4).
        1. It contains grace and truth (John 1:17) because the gospel is about Jesus.
    3. Promises
      1. The Law and the gospel both promise eternal life:
        1. The Law by complete obedience to all its commands (Lev. 18:5; Luke 10:26).
        2. The gospel by grace unconditionally (Rom. 3:22-24, Eph. 2:8-9). It demands nothing, makes no threats. It removes from sinners the desire to sin.
  • Effects of preaching the Law.
    1. It tells us what to do, but does not enable us to do it. This can frustrate us because we cannot keep it!
    2. Reveals to man his sins. It offers no help to get him out; hurls man into despair.
      1. "...I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, ‘You shall not covet,’" (Rom. 7:7).
    3. It brings to our awareness damnation, hell, and hopelessness.
      1. "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear," (Isaiah 59:2).
      2. "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree,’" (Gal. 3:13).
  • Effects of preaching the gospel.
    1. It demands faith and gives it to us.
      1. "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of Christ," (Rom. 10:17).
    2. It does not reprove the sinner.
      1. "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus," (Rom. 8:1).
    3. It does not require anything good for man to do either in heart, mind or body because it is a free gift.
      1. "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord," (Rom. 6:23).
  • Who the Law and the Gospel are preached to.
    1. The Law is preached to sinners, those secure in their sin.
      1. "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching," (1 Tim. 1:8-10).
    2. The Gospel is preached to those who are alarmed, frightened, smitten by the law; to those who are made thirsty for the Gospel message.
      1. "...through the law we become conscious of sin," (Acts 4:20).
      2. "So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith," (Gal. 3:24).

LC
 
Most of us would rather be ruined by praise,
 than saved by criticism.

49 posted on 09/05/2006 1:36:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Alex Murphy

Sorry about all the cross-linking, Alex, but your own thread over here shows why a theonomy just may not be a good idea (looky who would be voting).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1693755/posts


57 posted on 09/05/2006 2:14:11 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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