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To: Alex Murphy
Frankly, evangelicals who take shots at Rick Warren ought to be ashamed. But their number increases with everything this man does on an expanding stage of public opinion. I have heard many of the attacks. Warren is too shallow and promotes pop-religion.

If one believes that Christianity's purpose should be to create a better world, then this man is correct.

If you think Christianity's purpose should be to preach this Gospel to all the world as Christ said, then this man is helping Warren to redirect the Gospel away from it's true aim.

There is nothing wrong in helping the needy. We are directed to do so by God's Word. But, the first and greatest commandment is to love the Lord with all your heart, soul and mind. This MUST be first as no man is saved by his works lest he should boast that he has saved himself. Any diminishing of the ultimate necessity of accepting Christ's sacrifice on the Cross for salvation is clearly the way Satan works. He whispers into the hearts of men, "Be a good man and help others. That is all you need to do. God will not deny you salvation if you have done many good works. God is just, right?"

Warren does just this. His message is simple and direct: Do good works. Don't worry about spreading the Gospel. The Gospel will somehow be spread by your works as those receiving your charity will somehow understand your motivation. Sin is not a problem.

God says, "Faith without works is dead." But, He also says, "Without me you can do nothing."

Leaving the poor and destitute with goods and services without delivering everlasting life through Christ Jesus is not Christianity.

2 posted on 08/23/2006 6:34:01 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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To: Dr. Thorne

I agree! I'm so tired of this new movemant were we are being taught to just show love as Christ shows us love and this will get the other's into heaven. Christ tells us to tell them about Him as well as show them compassion and love. If we start leaving out the main ingrediant we are not helping these people learn about Christ.


3 posted on 08/23/2006 6:43:54 AM PDT by Halls (I'm a Texan, Christian, Wife, Mother, Singer, Conservative GAL!!)
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To: Dr. Thorne

I saw this show, and it is not clear to me what and how he will help Rwanda, but I thought that it would certainly be good if his congregation got involved. Would help them both. The amazing success of his book probably shames his critics, as above. I read Ashley's book on how she read it to her captor that night in Atlanta. Turns out she was a drug adict struggling to recover, and she turned a corner that night.


4 posted on 08/23/2006 6:49:26 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Dr. Thorne
AH, Mr. Warren is at it again... pushing another so called social "gospel" message. He will preach anything just so long as it is NOT the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Let's see, he has preached the "seeker sensitive purpose driven" gospel... "Don't preach on sin or hell..., ALWAYS preach 'positive' messages'... you do not want to offend the sensabilities of the seekers."

The "man is responsibel for global warming, what would Jesus drive" gospel...

The "Evangelical fundamentalists pose the greatest threat to world peace" gospel...

Now he is on to his latest and greatest false gospel... his "Let's SLOW Aids through offering condoms and needle exchanges"... false gospel.

But what does it matter; this wolf in sheep’s clothing "pastors" a mega church and is one of the most popular guys out their, so he must be doing "god's work".

Matthew 7:21-22

42 posted on 08/26/2006 10:01:29 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Convert, Slavery or Death = "Islam the Religion of Peace tm" "It's time to play Cowboys and Muslims")
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