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Why I Can No Longer Be A United Methodist
United Methodist Nexus ^ | August 2006 | Marge Engelman

Posted on 08/17/2006 6:31:09 AM PDT by hiho hiho

I am a retired university administrator and faculty member, a lifelong Methodist (now United Methodist), a clergy wife, a mother and a grandmother. At this age I had imagined that I would be happily treasuring traditional Christian views, following the well-worn path to the church, and participating in all the usual “keep-’em-busy-and-involved” church activities.

Here I am at 78 raising more questions about the Christian faith than ever before. I am offended by the continued use of sexist language and bored by the endless rehearsal of our ancient doctrines. I can no longer think like a first century Christian, the time when much of the Bible was written, or like a fourth century Christian, the time when the creeds were formed. Striving to find meaning in the creeds without translating almost every word is frustrating. The words stick in my throat when I try to sing the dated hymns depicting heaven as up and hell as down, God as Father, and Christian soldiers marching onward. I find it difficult to worship what my mind rejects.

Going to The United Methodist Church to worship does not meet my spiritual needs. For a while I went to coffee hour to see valued friends. Now and then I would attend the Sunday Forum seeking a new idea, but then I would play hooky and skip out before worship, hoping no one would miss me. Now I have “given up” and seek meaning in other ways and places.

An Interfaith Dialogue group meeting in a Catholic Retreat Center has increased my awareness that there are many spiritual paths. When I gather with Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Wiccans, Bahai’s, Agnostics, and Christians to share spiritual thoughts and experiences, I am enriched.

The exclusivity of traditional Christianity, “ours is the only way,” saddens me now. Seldom in recent years did I hear reference to other faiths, maybe a nod now and then to ecumenicity. As I contemplate the world scene, traumatized with religious conflict, it seems there is good reason to be about the business of opening all the doors and windows to the fresh air of learning about, valuing and working with other faiths.

Again and again my hopes have been dashed related to openness and support for gays and lesbians. The United Methodist churches that I know best tiptoe around the gay, lesbian and transgendered issues. If a church does decide after much study and discussion that they want to be a welcoming congregation, they then seldom reach out in meaningful and caring ways to the gays and lesbians in their communities.

And now in addition to United Methodists denying ordination to self-avowed practicing homosexuals, the UM Judicial Council has said that gays and lesbians have no automatic right to church membership and upheld the power of local pastors to turn them away. That is deeply troubling to me.

I was an active trustee of one of United Methodist’s finest seminaries for 25 years. I am ashamed to say that the board of that Seminary has never been able to agree on a policy related to gays and lesbians. I have shed many tears of frustration and anger as some of us tried to bring about change.

When I was in undergraduate school and became president of a national sorority, I was stunned to realize that I was required to ask new pledges if they were of Negro, Oriental, or Jewish extraction. If they were, we could not pledge them. Shortly after graduating, I resigned from the sorority to protest that discrimination.

When trying to decide if I wanted to remain an active United Methodist, I recalled that disturbing sorority experience and asked myself if I wanted to be a member of a Church that discriminated against homosexuals.

Where are the voices of United Methodists in standing up against the Iraq war? Where are the Bishop Oxnams of our day? Yes, there are some brave souls, but in general there has been no United Methodist outcry against a preemptive, illegal war that has killed thousands and threatens the very fiber of our souls. Many clergy are concerned, but if they speak out they may offend some members, and what United Methodist church can afford to lose members in this day and age of declining membership?

I have changed from that ever-smiling, supportive clergy wife, who questioned little and swallowed a lot. Now I am reimagining my faith as I age. Of course, this new path has brought guilt and self-doubt and periods of deep searching. But there are joys as well. It is a joy to find spiritual strength in new places: within me as I meditate, in the community of the Interfaith Dialogue, listening as I walk in the mornings, meeting and learning from international students, writing a book and sensing a guiding presence as I write.

Maintaining some of my Christian perspectives, I am finding hope and nourishment in the Unitarian Universalist tradition. (Yes, you can be a Christian Unitarian.) In the words of one of their hymns, I am “Free from the bonds that bind the mind to narrow thought and lifeless creed.” I am happy to be a part of a community that places a very high priority on activism related to social justice issues. It is good to listen to the loving thoughts of a gay minister.

I do remain grateful for my Methodist heritage, but just as Jesus called in question the legalisms of Judaism, I want to move on to a faith that is inclusive, has no barriers or boundaries, and is relevant for the present day.


TOPICS: Ecumenism; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology
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To: hiho hiho
No offence intended to anyone here, but you know you're screwed up when the freaking Methodists are too conservative for you.

When I was in undergraduate school and became president of a national sorority, I was stunned to realize that I was required to ask new pledges if they were of Negro, Oriental, or Jewish extraction. If they were, we could not pledge them. Shortly after graduating, I resigned from the sorority to protest that discrimination.

What stirring bravery -- resigning from the sorority AFTER graduating.

21 posted on 08/17/2006 7:08:14 AM PDT by Sloth ('It Takes A Village' is problematic when you're raising your child in Sodom.)
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To: The Bard

Yeah, she has chosen Satan and his false religion of "goodness".


22 posted on 08/17/2006 7:13:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: hiho hiho

By all means, Marge, it can't be true if it doesn't "meet your spiritual needs."

The liberal mind drips with narcissism.


23 posted on 08/17/2006 7:14:02 AM PDT by Taliesan
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To: Alex Murphy

I was thinking that, myself ... although I suppose in a small, rural, Southern, United Methodist church, you'd be somewhat likely to find traditional hymns, an occasional reference to the Trinity and the Crucifixion, and a straight, married pastor.


24 posted on 08/17/2006 7:34:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I've always wanted to be 40 ... and it's as good as I anticipated!)
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To: hiho hiho

The United Methodists are huge sponsors of the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights - which I think has now morphed into the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice . . . that sounds so much better than out-and-out infanticide, I guess.

If you REALLY wanna get sick, click on the link, "Prayerfully Pro-Choice: Worship Resources" - there may even be a Prayer of Blessing for Cranium-Crushing Forceps or a Fetus-Removal Vacuum System.

And the George Augustus Stallings schismatic Imani Temple used to be headquartered at the UMC offices in DC.

So much for reciprocal ecumenism with the Roman Catholic Church!

Of course our (RC) nitwits permitted the ordination of UMC pastors in - of all places - the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception back in 1981, on the same weekend that Catholics nationwide were being asked to sign petition sheets in favor of the Hatch Amendment! When the absurdity - not to say hypocrisy of this - was pointed out to the Archbishop of Washington, DC, his secretary, soon-to-be-Bishop of Charlotte John Donoghue sent the standard, condescending, "ecumenical sensitivity" form letter back to anyone who complained.

All of which is to say, it's amazing to find such a denomination not liberal enough for Granny!


25 posted on 08/17/2006 7:47:26 AM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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To: hiho hiho

APOSTASY ALERT


26 posted on 08/17/2006 7:50:50 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Taliesan
The liberal mind drips with narcissism.

This occurred to me, too. Why does Marge think it important for us to know about some trite reasons why her church no longer serves her needs. Others change churches without so much as a peep.

It's not difficult to imagine the life of a college administrator is one of constant anti-christian pressure. Perhaps after years of humiliation and embarassment, she has turned and is just chanting the mantra of the dark side.

27 posted on 08/17/2006 7:52:22 AM PDT by Marylander (Please stand behind the tagline.)
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To: hiho hiho
Going to The United Methodist Church to worship does not meet my spiritual needs.

Unintentional irony alert.

28 posted on 08/17/2006 7:58:02 AM PDT by Romulus (Quomodo sedet sola civitas plena populo.)
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To: Mad Dawg
I'm pretty sure.

It's that last clause that makes it even more insipid and shallow.

29 posted on 08/17/2006 8:03:46 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: hiho hiho

What a bunch of hooeeeeeey.


30 posted on 08/17/2006 8:06:59 AM PDT by tioga
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To: hiho hiho

"The words stick in my throat when I try to sing the dated hymns depicting heaven as up and hell as down, God as Father, and Christian soldiers marching onward. I find it difficult to worship what my mind rejects."
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What a great post! A perfect illustration of how all this drivel and mortal relativism crept into our churches.

Obviously, she doesn't know what it is to be a Christian, since all this stuff is so "dated".


31 posted on 08/17/2006 8:11:31 AM PDT by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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To: xzins
"I hope it isn't odd for me to say that her liberal reaction and rejection of us is an indication that the classic, historic Christian perspective is slowly winning back our church."
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Amen!

The fight is on and we are winning. What church growth you can find is in Bible believing churches. The old main line denominations that have lost to the "fringe" are either losing membership hand over fist, or splintering into two different groups. I think this article really points out why the seminaries have to be accountable for what they are teaching.
32 posted on 08/17/2006 8:18:20 AM PDT by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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To: golfisnr1

And that is exactly what she needs... we need to remember her to The Lord.

Hoss.


33 posted on 08/17/2006 8:22:48 AM PDT by HossB86
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To: hiho hiho

Some of us at her age loose it and some of us gain it.

Pray for her loss.


34 posted on 08/17/2006 8:23:10 AM PDT by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: hiho hiho

In the words of one of their hymns, "Humanists, Humanists, Humanists are we..."

I have to admit, this was not what I expected when I clicked the link.


35 posted on 08/17/2006 8:24:04 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Peace In Our Time®)
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To: BlueNgold

From a Simpsons episode: "Mormons. Mormons is the correct answer."


36 posted on 08/17/2006 8:26:13 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Peace In Our Time®)
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To: wmfights

Baaahbl bulievin' church.


37 posted on 08/17/2006 8:29:30 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Peace In Our Time®)
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To: golfisnr1

"She never mentions prayer."

Because she would not know who to pray to.


38 posted on 08/17/2006 8:36:28 AM PDT by hiho hiho
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To: hiho hiho

Wow, it only took this woman 78 years to figure out that she is not a Christian.


39 posted on 08/17/2006 8:37:22 AM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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To: hiho hiho
When I was in undergraduate school and became president of a national sorority, I was stunned to realize that I was required to ask new pledges if they were of Negro, Oriental, or Jewish extraction. If they were, we could not pledge them. Shortly after graduating, I resigned from the sorority to protest that discrimination.

But she couldn't be troubled to resign at the time....

Looks like she hasn't changed all that much in the intervening 50+ years.

40 posted on 08/17/2006 8:40:14 AM PDT by r9etb
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