DISPENSATIONALIST "CHRISTIAN" ZIONISM -- Is there now "neither Jew nor Gentile", or not?

KennethGentry.Com, "Dispensational Distortions" ^ | 2004 | Kenneth Gentry (and OP)

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

A Young Fool encounters Foolishness

Once upon a time, I was but a wee child in Reformed Theology, taking my first baby-steps into the beautiful Cathedral of Calvinism as a young Debater for Jerry Falwell's world-beating Liberty Debate Team (Our Creed: "Defeat Harvard. Defeat Navy. Defeat American Catholic. Defeat everyone. Crush them all, every time, no exceptions. Win every single National Championship, every year.... because as long as we Calvinists keep winning, Jerry won't excommunicate us for being Calvinists!!".)

[Dr. Jerry Falwell personally thinks that Calvinism is Heresy. He also doesn't care, as long as we Win.]

Since a Debater is always expected to be able to immediately argue either side of any given question, I spent a lot of time in the local used book-store picking up various books on philosophy and theology and politics and economics... anything I could get my dirt-poor hands on for $2 or $3 dollars a copy. Anything to familiarize myself with multiple intellectual perspectives and multiple modes of argumentation.

Now, in the course of my researches, I happened across a little book entitled War Cycles, Peace Cycles by Richard Kelly Hoskins of Lynchburg, Virginia, regarding the short and long-term economic effects of Monetary Expansions and Contractions in the context of fractional-reserve lending. Hoskins was by no means an uneducated fellow (a capable Financial Advisor and Econometricist, some of his works are still occasionally cited today), but I was singularly disturbed by several passages in which he seemed to suggest a Racial component to Fractional-Reserve Lending (which he called "the Babylon System") versus his contrary suggestions for Joint-Venture Lending.

One passage which stood out in my mind read as follows:

Take Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and look up the word "Man". Then, turn to the Hebrew section in the back of the concordance to locate the word for "man" which is "Adam". You will find that the word "adam" (Man) is used hundreds of times throughout the Bible. Under "man" locate the verse "In the beginning God created man", or "adam", as an example. The word "adam" is not just another name like John or Bob. "Adam" is the Hebrew word meaning "to turn rosy", or "to blush red" (Strong's number 119). A better translation of the above verse "In the beginning God created man" would be - "In the beginning God created 'he who blushes red'... (The White Race)" ~~ Hoskins, "War Cycles, Peace Cycles", page 20-21 (bolded explanation mine)

The further I read, the more it was apparent to me that Hoskins regarded "Israel" as The White Race, the Adamic Race descended through Abraham, and that all Non-Whites were considered to him to be zuwr "strangers": Pagans at worst, "Samaritan" Christians at best... but never "Israel".

And so, being the young fool that I was, I did what any young fool would do... I looked Dick Hoskins up in the Lynchburg, Virginia phone book, and called him at his house.

I asked him what he would make of my spiritual position -- a Confessing Christian by Faith, mostly Prussian German by Ethnicity, but with a little 1/16 smidgen of Sioux Nation mixed in 3 or 4 generations back on my mother's side.

Hoskins informed me, quite cordially and without any rancor whatsoever, that God considered me to be a mixed-breed Bastard and that "A Bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD." (Deuteronomy 23:2) He advised me to marry "one of my own kind".

(I guess I have now violated the Law of God, a German-Sioux mixed-breed Bastard like me marrying a Pure Scottish White Woman.)

Well, I decided at that point (even before I knew him to be the godfather of the "Phinehas Priesthood", the most violent expression of the Christian Identity movement) that even if he was a good money-runner, Dick Hoskins' theology was a barrel full of wet, smelly, foolish Scheißdreck, with which I would have no truck whatsoever. The Christian Creed is this: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28, KJV).

Unfortunately, however, "Christian Identity" (derived not from pagan Nazism but rather from its bastard godfather, British Israelism) is not the only theology which Racially divides the Body of Christ into Jew and Gentile, "Israel" and "Not-Israel", Blood and Blood-lines.

Dispensational Zionist Foolishness

The future dispensational kingdom involves a racial prejudice favoring the Jews above even saved Gentiles during the millennium. As such it re-introduces the distinction between Jew and Gentile and replaces Faith with Race as a basis for divine favor. Consider the following citations from leading dispensationalists: (DISPENSATIONAL DISTORTIONS PART TWO, Redemptive History Distortions ~~ Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr., Th.D.)

• Ryrie: "Three groups of people will be related to the millennial government. Israel, regathered and turned to the Lord in salvation, will be exalted, blessed, and favored throughout the period."
• Pentecost: "The Gentiles will be Israel's servants during that age. . . . The Gentiles that are in the millennium will have experienced conversion prior to admission."
• Walvoord speaks of "Israel's restoration and exaltation in the millennial kingdom."
• Herman Hoyt (past president of Grace Theological Seminary) puts it quite starkly: "The redeemed living nation of Israel, regenerated and regathered to the land, will be head over all the nations of earth. . . . So he exalts them above the Gentile nations . . . . On the lowest level there are the saved, living, Gentile nations."
• Popular prophecy writer Dave Hunt comments: "The Messiah ruling the world from the throne of David and with national Israel restored to its place of supremacy over the nations."

However, with the establishment of the New Testament phase of the Church, the distinction between Jew and Gentile has been abolished. This was the whole point of Peter's vision of the sheet filled with unclean animals in Acts 10: "What God has called clean, let no man call unclean." Thus, there is no separate Jewish program exalting them over saved Gentiles. THE CHURCH, which includes Jew and Gentile in one body, is the fruition and culmination of God's promises to the Jews. In evidence of this, we should note that Christians are called by distinctively Jewish names in the New Testament. "He is a Jew, which is one inwardly" (Rom. 2:29). Christians are called "the circumcision" (Phil. 3:3), "the children" and "the seed of Abraham" (Gal. 3:7, 29), the "Jerusalem which is above" and the "children of the promise" (Gal. 4:24-29). In fact, Christians compose "the Israel of God" for we are a "new creature" regarding which "circumcision availeth nothing" (Gal. 6:16).

Comparing Foolishness with Foolishness

In closing, I ask only (according to the Hebrew logical-interpretive method of "how much the more?")... if the heretical British-Israel/Christian-Identity Racialists pervert True Christianity by dividing the People of God along Racial lines, then how much the more do Dispensationalists also pervert the Word of God and divide the People of God along equally Racialist lines?

Consider the following:

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• Three groups of people will be related to the millennial government. The White Race, regathered and turned to the Lord in salvation, will be exalted, blessed, and favored throughout the period.
  
• The Non-Whites will be The White Race's servants during that age. . . . The Non-Whites that are in the millennium will have experienced conversion prior to admission.
  
• The White Race's restoration and exaltation in the millennial kingdom...
  
• The redeemed living nation of The White Race, regenerated and regathered to the land, will be head over all the nations of earth. . . . So he exalts them above the Non-White nations . . . . On the lowest level there are the saved, living, Non-White nations.
  
• The Messiah ruling the world from the throne of David and with The White Race restored to its place of supremacy over the nations.
  
• God will keep his original promises to the fathers and will one day convert and place The White Race as the head of the nations.

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Those aren't Quotations from Richard Kelly Hoskins... granted, they may sound like Christian Identity quotations, but they aren't.

These are nothing less than direct quotations from the leading lights of Dispensationalism in America -- Ryrie, Pentecost, Walvoord, Hoyt, Hunt, Thomas Ice. (I could've quoted Hagee, I suppose, but the man is absolutely freakin' nutbar).

All that I did was to replace "Israel" with "The White Race", and replace "Gentiles" with "Non-Whites".
Does Dispensationalist "theology" destroy the Racial equality of the Body of Christ? What you see is what you get.

God Damn all Racial Theology.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Because the shadow of Christ is on every page of the Old Testament and is explicit on every page of the New Testament.

All believing Jews and Gentiles will be saved by the blood of Christ.

To miss this, IMO, is to miss the entire point of creation. God planned from all eternity who and why He would save. He's not just winging this. He knows what He's doing and He does what He has decreed.

Saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

What better way to muzzle Christians than to say the word does not have to be proclaimed to everyone? God does not see us as races. The only blood that saves is the shed blood of Jesus Christ, available to all the world if they would but see and hear and be saved.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

For the record, to believe that Jesus Christ is the one true way to salvation is not "bigotry," regardless of how many times you try to label it as such.

And to say God "damns" something, using "damn" as a verb, is not the same as using "God-damn" as a crude adjective.

You really need to stop making this so personal, Buggman. Your name appears on so many threads that get pulled or locked I hestitate to even enter a thread on which you post.

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues, do NOT make it personal!

[Quix]

ANOINTEDLY MASTERFUL AS USUAL.

THANKS TONS.

[Quix]

OF COURSE

ALL SAVED will be SAVED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS AND FAITH IN HIM.

The route there is different for individuals. Certainly it can be different for people groups.

[topcat54]

Your thoughts invite comment.

By contrast, the passage in Jeremiah 31 (excerpted at post 306) is speaking of the nation of Israel. Likewise this passage from Romans 11:

One problem with this interpretation is that Jer. 31 does not exist in a vacuum. It has been intrepreted for us in the New Testament, especially by Jesus Himself.

"For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." (Matt. 26:26).

The central theme of Jer. 31 is the new covenant. Jesus's disciples at the last suppoer could hardly have missed the signifiance of His words, and the linkage to what was promised by the prophet Jeremiah.

By linking His own sacrifice -- made for all types of men from all peoples and races -- to the phase "new covenant" He universalize the words of the prophet to include all those who have their sins remitted by His blood. Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant made with His people (Heb. 9:15). It is not limited by race.

Paul, the apostle to the gentiles, adds emphasis to the fact when he recount Jesus's words in 1 Cor 11.

"In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.'"

Paul is speaking to a congreation made up mainly of gentiles. He mentions the "new covenant". So the promise of the new covenant as given in Jeremiah cannot be limited in any way to national Israel.

This is the inevitable conclusion when you read the Old Testament in light of the fuller revelation given to us in the New Testament.

[topcat54]

The route there is different for individuals. Certainly it can be different for people groups.

One way or many ways?? Please explain.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your encouragements!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for sharing your views!

[topcat54]

"For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." (Matt. 26:26).

That's 26:28.

Allow me to share one more passage to make my point:

"But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel." (Heb. 12:22-24)

Note the linkage of the new (heavenly) Jerusalem to the new covenant. The new Jerusalem is the place where all of God's people dwell regardless of race, etc. We have our home there, again, because of the blood of the new covenant shed on our behalf.

The NT writers never limit the new covenant prophesied by Jeremiah to national/racial Israel. It is always universalized.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

This is the inevitable conclusion when you read the Old Testament in light of the fuller revelation given to us in the New Testament.

Amen. As an all-too-typical unschooled Christian, I never spent much time reading the Old Testament.

Thanks to many of these fine threads, I've returned to the Old Testament and found Jesus Christ on nearly every page. It's truly amazing how Christ was foreshadowed in the Old Testament.

Not surprising, I suppose, since God wrote both Testaments from before the foundation of the world, all with the cross as its center.

[Buggman]

For the record, to believe that Jesus Christ is the one true way to salvation is not "bigotry," regardless of how many times you try to label it as such.

Calling the Jews as a people "God-hating" is. For the record.

And to say God "damns" something, using "damn" as a verb, is not the same as using "God-damn" as a crude adjective.

It's merely inflammatory rhetoric, devoid of any intellectual or spiritual merit. Troll-bait, in other words.

You really need to stop making this so personal, Buggman. Your name appears on so many threads that get pulled or locked I hestitate to even enter a thread on which you post.

And yet, not once have I been the one rebuked by the Mods. I have never been reduced to ethnic slurs, vulgarities, violations of Godwin's Law, or shouting "Heretic, heretic!" either. That all comes from your side of the fence.

The words "projection" and "questionable cause" come to mind.

All I've done, Ecks, is ask OP to tone back the rhetoric and stick to polite debate. I've pointed out the potential damage he does by his loose tongue--or fingers, as the case may be. That's it. I don't think that's an unreasonable request, nor do I think it unreasonable that I simply refuse to engage him until he complies. He's (normally) better than that, and I'm not lowering the high standards I set for those who call themselves ambassadors of Christ.

I vacated this thread a long time ago. OP was the one who decided to put more infantile histeronics in my ping box. There may well be a good argument mixed in with the cursing and arrogant posturing, but heck if I'm wasting my time looking for it.

I have several times stated that I am done with this thread and asked not to be pinged back to it. Please respect that request.

[Twinkie]

Anyone who plans on dragging their genealogy charts before the Lord at the end as something to insure their salvation is quite likely to be found lacking a proper wedding garment. I somehow don't think the Lord cares to whom we are kin by flesh & blood, just whether Jesus Christ the Son of God is our brother by virtue of us being washed in His blood & us being adopted by the Father in Heaven. There is truly neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female in Christ as Scripture plainly tells us. - I don't know exactly how the Lord is going to deal with every single little detail at that last trump, but it is surely not something dependent upon me being able to figure out. He managed Creation without my input.

[Gamecock]

. . . appears to me that TULIP needs to do some laundry, thorough house cleaning or general basic first grade instruction with one or more members.

Why is that? OP is acting like, well, a Presbyterian. You know, the faith as practiced in Scotland, where the fires the Reformation burned so brightly before coming to the Colonies. The same fire that ignited the American Revolution and gave birth to this great Republic. A no nonsense bunch who forced Hadrian to build a wall and declare the Roman Empire ends here.

We are not a politically correct bunch, many would say we are crass. We do however know what we believe, why we believe it, and we are certainly not carried about by every wind of doctrine.

BTW, have you seen the upcoming CT?

I suspect that as usual, the Reformed are being called in to clean up the mess left by two centuries of American Church messiness.

[Gamecock]

Indeed!

For it is written, Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”Luke 24:44 [my emphasis]

It's all about Him.

[attiladhun2]

Dear Mr. OrthodoxPresbytarian:

Fogive me for saying this, but your ignorance and Un-Christlike-ness are evident for all the world to see. You quote the Apostle Paul copiously, yet you engage in a very old technique of false argumentation called selective siding. This technique ignores contrary evidence. The same Apostle said this in his Epistle to the Romans:

For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the brances, were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them become a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree. Do not boast against the branches. But if you boast, remember, that you do not support the root, but the root supports you (11:16-18).

God broke of some of the natural branches to make room for Gentiles (wild branches). He can just as easily break off those natural branches and graft in those belonging to the root by nature. The Church is supported by Israel, it is not Israel, and to identify it with Israel shows a profound misunderstanding of the Bible.

[Quix]

No time to comment at such length.

But to say . . . there's some logical great leaps and extrapolations in that list of thoughts which the Scriptures do not support.

[Quix]

This is not really rocket science.

JESUS IS THE [ONLY] WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.

JESUS IS THE [ONLY] WAY TO THE FATHER. NO MAN REACHES THE FATHER BUT THROUGH HIM.

There are many sequences of events, thoughts, experiences, revelations to an individual's mind and heart and spirit which result in him accepting Jesus as Savior. Many are different person to person. It's more than reasonable that such would be true for couples, families, people groups.

Not really that difficult, group.

Certainly we are exhorted and must do all we can and are called to individually in evangelizing the Jewish people.

But I also believe that God Himself will ADD HIS OWN DRAMATIC OUTREACH to them IN HIS TIME and in HIS WAYS and that The Church as well as the world will be in awe when He does.

It's just His nature; His bent; and I believe, will turn out to be a very beautiful and fitting part of His Promise to His Buddy, Abraham.

[Quix]

Some people are easy to encourage in The Lord.

[Quix]

The NT writers never limit the new covenant prophesied by Jeremiah to national/racial Israel. It is always universalized.
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Mixing apples, oranges, cacti, koalas, aspen trees and whale snot does not help clarify things.