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Posted on 07/19/2006 10:40:38 AM PDT by Youngstown
IS THE NEW CATHEDRAL TO PADRE PIO IN SAN GIOVANNI ROTONDO ACTUALLY A "MASONIC TEMPLE"?
I have just received and am in the process of studying a special issue, #381 (March 2006), of the Italian religious magazine “CHIESA VIVA”. It is my understanding that in March 2006 this special issue was sent by the publisher/editor of “Chiesa Viva”, Dr. Monsignor Luigi Villa, to Catholic & 'catholic' priests, Bishops, Cardinals, as well as a selected group of Italian lay persons including members of the judiciary. This entire special issue deals with only one subject, that being the inauguration in July 2004 (construction began in 1996) of the new Cathedral dedicated to Padre Pio of San Giovanni Rotondo. The authors allege that after years of study they are now able to prove that this new church is in fact, NOT a Catholic Church, but rather a “Masonic temple”!
The authors (the engineer Franco Adessa) further allege that they have analyzed the complete church structure including the entry doors to the church, the altar plus the cross that hovers over it, the chapel of Adoration with the Tabernacle made out of jet black stone with the 13 plaques of silver as well as the immense stone cross that towers 40 meters over the piazza.
The authors allege that Masonic symbols are apparent everywhere. The authors allege that their special issue of Chiesa Viva has put into focus an alleged Masonic plan to DO battle with God by attempting to destroy the Catholic Church with Masonic Ecumenism. According to the authors the most devastating aspect of this blasphemy is the direct insult to the Holy Trinity and Our Lord Jesus Christ that have been symbolically displaced from the Cross and the Tabernacle and replaced by the blasphemous “Masonic triple trinity” and of Lucifer in person.
The authors allege that this story is one of money, power and control that go to the very top. To date news services around the world seem to be totally unaware of what has allegedly transpired in San Giovanni Rotondo, not one word has been uttered by the Vatican or other officials and millions of devotees to Saint Padre Pio are unaware and would be outraged if they ever suspected that their donations (estimated to be over $250,000,000.00 US) had been used to allegedly defame their beloved Saint!
If these allegations are in fact verified the scandal could be enormous. Millions of Catholics devoted to Padre Pio would be shocked and angry. The scandal would involve huge sums of money, the defamation of a Sainted Priest loved world wide by millions, the undermining of Faith, the undermining of the Catholic Hierarchy. It seems that officially no one in the Vatican is talking about this alleged scandal, even though a special reunion took place in San Giovanni Rotondo, on May 1 through May 6, 2006 attended by 150 Vatican experts including the Secretary of State Sodano. Ostensibly these experts converged on San Giovanni Rotondo to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the founding of the hospital (Casa di Sollievo della Sofferenza) by Padre Pio. Their meetings were open to the public during the day, however, their closed door evening meetings were allegedly dedicated to high level discussions of the Chiesa Viva special issue #381.It was subsequently reported, confidentially, that the Vatican has adopted an official solution that essentially amounts to total silence on this matter! If this is true then the allegations of Chiesa Viva may be much more than allegations and silence on the part of the Vatican is tantamount to conceding victory to Chiesa Viva. How long can this story be kept under wraps before the devotees of Padre Pio find out that they and their saint have been betrayed!?
Thank God for small favors.
If Freemasonry is not a secret society as you claim, why do Freemasons who are government officials, public corporation officers, or political figures refuse to disclose their membership?
You want to start clubbing around "accurate facts"? How about this?
Mexican Masonry - Politics and Religion
So, this Masonic website admits that Masonic presidents of Mexico maintained a "strongly anticlerical" policy. It was this policy that was responsible for the persecution of the Catholic religion in that country, and the execution of Catholic priests. I can go on....
I don't know. I can't commit to it because I don't know what the acronym means, LOL!
You got FR mail
Just a little charity. ;-)
Rather than use your side's vile tactics, I won't make up a disgusting "metaphor" ( which wshat you're claiming to be one, isn't...it's just a spurious lie and insulting ), but if I did, it would be MUCH closer to the mark.
Many Catholics have been Masons. None of them were thrown into concentration camps, beaten, tattooed, and/or gassed to death by Masons! Neither were they ever asked to foresake their religion; nor were they shunned for it.
The Masons did NOT "contribute to the destruction of the Catholic culture ( whatever THAT is supposed to mean ) and order in Europe in the 19th century." The point that you are supposedly getting at, is a pack of lies.
If what you claim is true, then there would have been no kings or queens or emperors in Catholic countries, in the 20th century. Hmmm........well, Emperor Franz Joseph was still the Emperor of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, until the end of WW I and it most assuredly was NOT a Mason, who killed his heir, Franz Ferdinand and his mechanistic wife in Sarajevo!
Just WHAT is "Catholic culture", BTW? There are Catholics in Germany and Spain, but even though Spain has sometimes had Germanic rulers, I wouldn't say that they shared the same culture. Even before the REFORMATION, when all of Christendom was Catholic, you would be hard pressed to say that all of them shared the same culture, any more than you could claim that they all shared the same language and the same food.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal!
As a general rule of thumb, yes. In fact, I like the Burkha/Taliban corollary to that law, but that is for a different discussion. But I think the comparison is apt.
Just WHAT is "Catholic culture", BTW? There are Catholics in Germany and Spain, but even though Spain has sometimes had Germanic rulers, I wouldn't say that they shared the same culture. Even before the REFORMATION, when all of Christendom was Catholic, you would be hard pressed to say that all of them shared the same culture, any more than you could claim that they all shared the same language and the same food.
I'm referring to the concept of Christendom.
Men who want to join Freemasonry must be of GOOD CHARATER. Part of that, is their belief in GOD. Masons don't care if the man is a Jew or a Christian, so whether he believes that Jesus is the Messiah or not, isn't the point.
The YMCA would have allowed Jack the Ripper to join....the Masons wouldn't! :-)
I heartily agree, but I wasn't the one who used the word "bigots," as was used above in #75.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal!
It doesn't matter whether you were provoked.
If you feel that the "real" issue" is besmirching and impugtnimng Masons, then I suggest that YOU have a very big problem and should go to confession ASAP.
I have a problem with Freemasonry, not with Masons. In fact, I pray for the conversion of the Masons. Don't presume to tell me to go to confession, because I know my need of that sacrament.
Both Houses of Congress open each session with a prayer and if I am not mistaken there ARE bibles there. Are both Houses of Congress religious bodies? Do they support a single religion? Are they a religion?
If posters continue to make it personal on this thread, it will be locked and some may have a time-out to cool off.
Can you explain to me then the pictures I posted earlier? Why the Masonic Bible? Why the Bible on their altars if they aren't a religious organization?
There has been NOTHING, but Masonbashing, by Catholics, on this thread and GOD forbid, any Mason or member of a Masonic family, dare to refute your lies, and they just get more of them. I'd say that this proves just which amongst us is the intolerant; not to mention vile and nasty.
I have stated the very genesis of the Catholic's church's anti-Masonry views. I bet none of you bothered to read a word of it.
Yes, Freemasonry DOES teach something counter to Catholic teachings...that all men are equal and that men of good character should be viewed as "brothers".
When Freemasonry was begun, until quite recently, Catholics were forbidden to go inside another religions' church or temple; even to attend a funeral or a wedding, where they were not asked to participate in any religious activities. They couldn't even go into a church hall to attend an MYF ( Methodist Youth Fellowship ) dance, where absolutely NOTHING religious was going on. This, BTW, was in 1957.
At least, in your final paragraph, you got around to talking about the article that heads this thread. And no, I see NOTHING that could even vaguely be called "Masonic symbology" in the picture.
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