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New translation of the Missale Romanum - was this the persuasive argument?
USCCB ^ | June 15, 2006

Posted on 06/16/2006 2:29:27 AM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 06/16/2006 2:29:34 AM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Following this address, it took no more than five minutes to debate the translation proper.

Word from the floor is that "no more than a handful" of objections were raised, most of which were eventually withdrawn... Everything was handled in 45 minutes, word is that it was relatively easy, and not a single adaptation was contested.

Thank you, Bishop Roche!

2 posted on 06/16/2006 2:32:56 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

What wonderful news to wake up to!

Thank you God for guiding our Bishops!


3 posted on 06/16/2006 4:08:34 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: NYer

bump for later

Does this article discuss a timetable for implementation?


4 posted on 06/16/2006 5:48:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I am not singing to get to the end of the song.)
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To: Tax-chick

This excellent article is more theoretical. I haven't seen a timetable, although I know that the next thing that happens is that the translation goes to Rome for approval. I don't think that will take long!

After that, I guess it's a matter of printing up new materials for the parishes, getting rid of some musical settings that will no longer work (yay!), etc. I bet some bishops will find a way to really drag their heels on this. However, the changes really aren't major, so I think it's going to be hard for them to find an excuse for this. And once the new missals (or missalettes) are out, I guess they'll just have to do it.


5 posted on 06/16/2006 6:01:31 AM PDT by livius
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To: NYer

great address, God bless him. Considering some of those voting, that margin for approval is almost miraculous. I wonder what the yes vote percentage was in the other countries.


6 posted on 06/16/2006 6:05:31 AM PDT by Nihil Obstat
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To: NYer

My poor young pastor will have some difficulties with this. He's under 40 and I've heard him use the 'we've been doing it this way for forty years' statement.

I'll have to commiserate with him and tell him how we managed to live through wrenching change forty years ago.

And needle him a bit by asking when we can expect to have our communion rails re-installed.


7 posted on 06/16/2006 6:18:07 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: NYer
I thought they nixed "consubstantial."

Maybe they can try "being of one substance" - the old BCP version.

8 posted on 06/16/2006 7:26:04 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: livius
"What's that awful sound?
It's Marty Haugen's Mass again.
Have mercy on us!

What's that dreadful sound?
It's Marty Haugen's Mass again.
Have mercy on us!

Can't we stop that sound?
And not hear Marty's Mass again?
Grant us some peace!"

Society for a Moratorium on the Music of Marty Haugen and David Haas

9 posted on 06/16/2006 7:30:25 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: NYer

Can this be true? Is it really a done deal? Or is this another bait-and-switch?


10 posted on 06/16/2006 7:50:23 AM PDT by dsc
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To: AnAmericanMother


That made my morning!
11 posted on 06/16/2006 8:03:48 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mexico: America's Palestine)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Maybe they can try "being of one substance" - the old BCP version.

As long as they don't start toying with the Anglican Use Rite One, I will be a happy camper.

I must confess I am totally lost in a Novus Ordo Mass, although the corrections will make it easier for me when I attend the NO.

12 posted on 06/16/2006 8:27:59 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: NYer
Dig woo!

Heaven rejoice! Earth rejoice! Angels rejoice! Saints rejoice! Poor Souls rejoice! All you men and women rejoice!

O sing unto the LORD a new song: sing unto the LORD, all the earth. Sing unto the LORD, bless his name; shew forth his salvation from day to day. Declare his glory among the heathen, his wonders among all people. For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens. Honor and majesty are before him: strength and beauty are in his sanctuary. Give unto the LORD, O ye kindreds of the people, give unto the LORD glory and strength. Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name: bring an offering, and come into his courts. O worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness: fear before him, all the earth. Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously. Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fullness thereof. Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

AMEN!!!!!!

Psalm 96 and more!
13 posted on 06/16/2006 8:58:00 AM PDT by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: Tax-chick
Does this article discuss a timetable for implementation?

A couple of things have to happen next. One is that the acceptance has to get the recogitio from Rome. That's guaranteed to happen, but Rome does things at their own speed. (Nothing happens in August, for one thing, because everyone goes on vacation.)

Then the books have to be printed, and every parish has to order their copy/copies.

My guess is maybe next Easter, but more likely 1st Sunday of Advent, 2007.

14 posted on 06/16/2006 9:13:17 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: NYer

Ooooohhhh.

Good Speech!!


15 posted on 06/16/2006 9:37:26 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: siunevada
I'll have to commiserate with him and tell him how we managed to live through wrenching change forty years ago.

Add my voice to yours!! Wish I could be a fly on the wall during that conversation.

And needle him a bit by asking when we can expect to have our communion rails re-installed.

ROFL!! If you really want to get his goat, tell him you've heard the USCCB will be discussing a return to Latin, at next year's meeting.

16 posted on 06/16/2006 9:43:12 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Campion

Thanks! The kids were worried that we'd go to Mass on Sunday and not know what to say. They'll be relieved that we don't need to assimilate "... And with thy ghost!" until Advent '07!


17 posted on 06/16/2006 12:33:02 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I am not singing to get to the end of the song.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Actually, Dan Schutte usually makes Marty Haugen sound like Samuel Barber. Plus, to my knowledge, Marty Haugen did not "marry" his "boyfriend," as Dan Schutte - who is head of music and student life at a Jesuit college - did. Marty Haugen is just a Lutheran. But then, so was Bach, although the resemblance ends there...


18 posted on 06/16/2006 1:45:01 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
I thought Marty switched to another denomination. Or did he start out something else? *shrugs shoulders*

In any case, their music, if you could call it that, is wretched. We've changed from Mass of Cremation to the St. Louis Jebbie Mass setting for Ordinary time. It's gonna be a looooooong green season.

19 posted on 06/16/2006 1:49:29 PM PDT by Carolina
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What is some of the stuff that Schutte has written?

It may be that one of his hymns has drifted by like a bad smell . . . our choirmaster uses the hymns to use (under protest) the Glory and Praise type dreck that some members of the congregation seem to love . . . but maybe I was too busy hiding under the pew to notice who wrote it.

20 posted on 06/16/2006 2:21:13 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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