Vatican official to Anglicans: Women bishops would destroy unity

Catholic News Service ^ | June 7, 2006 | Simon Caldwell

[NYer]

I'd have to know more details about what you saw, who it was, to try to find out why that was.

What's to understand? She was dressed like this priestess but with an over jacket.

She obviously can't go by the title 'Father' so she uses 'Mother'.

[linda_22003]

We just call the ones in our church "Reverend".

[Cheverus]

If you haven't noticed O'Malley walks around in a dress himself.

[Huber]

Thank you for making this point. It's not well enough understood nor often enough repeated.

[livius]

I prefer the term "priestettes," myself.

Be that as it may, I think that by "ordaining" women, the Anglicans have already gone a little too far for reunion. Cdl. Kasper, who is quite liberal, is actually being rather conciliatory by saying that we'll draw the line at female bishops. The line is already drawn at female priests. (Although I will say that he touches on this matter in his statements.)

[Cheverus]

I would argue that the line was actually drawn at Lambeth in 1934 when the Anglican Church became the first Christian denomination to approve artificial contraception.......

[AnAmericanMother]

Sorry . . . I seem to have a severe reading comprehension problem today . . .

. . . of course I was thinking of celibacy. Women's ordination is completely off my radar . . .

< smacks head on keyboard > . . . there, I feel better now.

[lastchance]

You are welcome. I strongly believe that they who control the language control the argument. That is why it is so important to remember that words do matter.

[Claud]

(Also hard to be a "husband of one wife" if you're a Catholic Bishop.)

Who was John's wife? Who was Polycarp's wife? Who was Ignatius of Antioch's wife?

Dare you say that all of the bishops of the first two centuries was married? Your understanding of this passage seems to be belied by the lives of the men who actually held the office.

[ArrogantBustard]

No problem ... Still, that had to be corrected immediately, for the sake of lurkers (and others).

[AnAmericanMother]

Amen. Thirty lashes with a choir cincture . . .

[ArrogantBustard]

Errr....

Ummmmmm.....

Not goin' there.

Wouldn't be prudent.

[AnAmericanMother]

Did I say anything out of line? < wink >

Shoot, back when I was an Episcopalian and HAD a cincture with my choir robe, I would accidentally smack myself with it if I was sprinting to my place in the processional or even if I turned around in a hurry.

( . . . and don't get me started about smacking the pew in front of me with my cross pendant . . . I still do that all the time when kneeling or standing back up . . . it's very loud when it's a quiet moment in the service . . . and dropping my music or the missalette . . . or my reading glasses . . . )

[PetroniusMaximus]

"Your understanding of this passage seems to be belied by the lives of the men who actually held the office"

I'll let Paul answer...

"This is my defense to those who would examine me. Do we not have the right to eat and drink? Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas? Or is it only Barnabas and I who have no right to refrain from working for a living?"
- 1 Corinthians 9

Many of the NT Church leaders were married - including Peter.

[trisham]

If you haven't noticed O'Malley walks around in a dress himself.

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Is that supposed to be funny?

[trisham]

The use of the term Gender for Sex is very deliberate. It is used to give lie to the idea that our being male or female is a social constrict ( is that the word) that should and can be changeable according to our own self view. It says that being male or female is not determined by biology or in how we were created by God but by our culture. As such we are the ones who determine if we want to live as a man or as a woman.

If sex is not a product of God's own creative will its physical expression can no longer be limited to the Biblical and/or traditional moral view. But all forms of physical expression are valid since their very validity comes from our selves.

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Excellent post.

[Kolokotronis]

"Hard to be the "husband of one wife" if you're a female."

Not if you're an Episcopalian.

[livius]

the line was actually drawn at Lambeth in 1934

That's true. I recall reading something before about the Lambeth decision's being the starting gun in the process of the unravelling of the Anglican church. The decision seems to have affected the rest of the Protestant chuches fairly rapidly, too.

[pravknight]

There were married bishops during the first four or five centuries, and Pope Hadrian VI was married in the 9th century.

I'm posting this, not because I belive the practice ought to be revived, but as a historical point.

[PetroniusMaximus]

"Not if you're an Episcopalian."

:>O

Now thats hitting below the belt!